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[Chiefwaffles]

Clearly cheap means everyone in the army can dual-wield the item in question.

[stabbymcstabstab]

3 - (Chiefwaffles) Extreme-range Cannons: Chiefwaffles, Andrea, Stabby
1 - (Andrea) Crystal Cannon Ammunition: Andrea
2- (10ebbor10) Long Range Fireballs :tyrant, 10ebbor10

Expense Credit
1 - (10ebbor10) Save until after revision phase: 10ebbor10,
2 - (10ebbor10) Arzotskan Academy: Chiefwaffles, Stabby

Yeah cheap doesn't real do much without the Ore/Oil resources. Maybe it should affect exports for credits maybe? since I imagine it's easier to sell something when you can produce ten of a good product a day compare to someone's one.

[10ebbor10]

3 - (Chiefwaffles) Extreme-range Cannons: Chiefwaffles, Andrea, Stabby
1 - (Andrea) Crystal Cannon Ammunition: Andrea
2- (10ebbor10) Long Range Fireballs :tyrant, 10ebbor10

Expense Credit
3 - (10ebbor10) Arzotskan Academy: Chiefwaffles, Stabby, 10ebbor10

I added my vote to the Arztotskan academy. That thing will make a very big impact.

[andrea]

3 - (Chiefwaffles) Extreme-range Cannons: Chiefwaffles, Andrea, Stabby
1 - (Andrea) Crystal Cannon Ammunition: Andrea
2- (10ebbor10) Long Range Fireballs :tyrant, 10ebbor10

Expense Credit
1 - (10ebbor10) Save until after revision phase: 10ebbor10,
3 - (10ebbor10) Arzotskan Academy: Chiefwaffles, Stabby, Andrea, 10ebbor10

You make good points on the fireball ebbor, but our fireballs have been present for far too much time on the battlefield and they are too effective... countering them will be very high on their to do list. Hence why I prefer to keep my vote on the cannon, since protecting from a big boulder is comparatively harder.

[10ebbor10]

Yeah, I know it's a risk, but personally it's one I want to take.

[andrea]

that is fair. coupled with the academy expense, if they don't counter it it will be devastating.

[VoidSlayer]

So with our plant magic and crystal magic, once we get the cannon firing at long range we could replace two parts.

The cannon ball could be replaced with a super dense metal coconut grown from a hybrid plant while the barrel could be a summoned crystal that can be re summoned when it gets cracked.  This could be a nice revision next turn.  This would be similar to the artillery developed in the first game where we swapped the barrel out when it became hot, but this time we swap it out with magic!

3 - (Chiefwaffles) Extreme-range Cannons: Chiefwaffles, Andrea, Stabby, voidslayer
1 - (Andrea) Crystal Cannon Ammunition: Andrea
2- (10ebbor10) Long Range Fireballs :tyrant, 10ebbor10

Expense Credit
1? 2? - (10ebbor10) Save until after revision phase: 10ebbor10, voidslayer
3 - (10ebbor10) Arzotskan Academy: Chiefwaffles, Stabby, Andrea, 10ebbor10

Lets make it a little longer range.

[10ebbor10]

I removed my vote for saving.

4 - (Chiefwaffles) Extreme-range Cannons: Chiefwaffles, Andrea, Stabby, voidslayer
1 - (Andrea) Crystal Cannon Ammunition: Andrea
2- (10ebbor10) Long Range Fireballs :tyrant, 10ebbor10

Expense Credit
1 - (10ebbor10) Save until after revision phase: voidslayer
4 - (10ebbor10) Arzotskan Academy: Chiefwaffles, Stabby, Andrea, 10ebbor10

The cannon ball could be replaced with a super dense metal coconut grown from a hybrid plant while the barrel could be a summoned crystal that can be re summoned when it gets cracked.

We don't know how to make regular coconuts, let alone metal ones.

[evictedSaint]

It seems like consensus is for Extreme-Range Hybrid Cannons.  I will roll that up shortly unless someone causes a tie or speaks out.

[Roboson]

Quick question for evicted:

Would we have to take a turn to design iron cannonballs? Or would that be more of a revision thing? I just figured I'd ask because we have a surplus of metal and so we'd likely want to get those at some point (because we could make more of them in a short time and have the metal bonus).

Also

5 - (Chiefwaffles) Extreme-range Cannons: Chiefwaffles, Andrea, Stabby, voidslayer. Roboson
1 - (Andrea) Crystal Cannon Ammunition: Andrea
2- (10ebbor10) Long Range Fireballs :tyrant, 10ebbor10

Expense Credit
1 - (10ebbor10) Save until after revision phase: voidslayer
5 - (10ebbor10) Arzotskan Academy: Chiefwaffles, Stabby, Andrea, 10ebbor10, Roboson

The cannon ball could be replaced with a super dense metal coconut grown from a hybrid plant while the barrel could be a summoned crystal that can be re summoned when it gets cracked.

We don't know how to make regular coconuts, let alone metal ones.
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[evictedSaint]

Revision: Extreme-Range Hybrid Cannons: [6]

As it turns out, using cannons is all math.  Trajectories, muzzle velocity, drag and drop - compared to the mathematics that go into magic, these are trivial.

The easiest way to boost range is to reduce the size of the ammunition.  A fist-sized rock will kill just as well as a boulder if it's traveling fast enough, and there's no need to make them that big.  We reduce the size of the barrel to a more sane diameter.  This lets us also increase the length of the barrel by using the same amount of material, although it's still equally susceptible to cracking and jammed-ammo explosions.  The smaller size of the ammo also means we can carry more of them with the artillery train, although the limiting factor is still the complexity of crafting each one individually.

The end result gives us a cannon that will shoot long-range, effectively matching Moskurg's primitive ballista.  We aren't as accurate and can't target commanders and mages with them, but we have more of them and the fist-sized rocks can be loaded quicker to give us a higher firing rate.  We're having difficulty nailing down the cause of the inaccuracy, but for the moment they will be effective on the battlefield. Expensive

[evictedSaint]

Would we have to take a turn to design iron cannonballs?

It's simple enough it could be done in a revision, especially now that they're a smaller size.

[andrea]

can we deploy both the normal and revised cannon?  honestly, it seems to be that both have a place in the battlefield. long range but less powerful,  mid range but devastating effect.

[stabbymcstabstab]

So wait we now have a steam engine and a cannon. Mother of Arstotzka we could design a self propelled armored wagon, that could function as a kinda crappy tank.

[evictedSaint]

Please reach an agreement on what troops you will offer to send, if any.

Remember: if you win, the troops you send will be absent this turn.