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[Taricus]

Though magic, that's how nuke. If we apply the same rituals we use to change the temperature of adamantium to the 'stability' of bane we could get a particularly great explosive component.

[Madman198237]

...

Stability and explosives don't mix well. If you want more boom, you get less stable. If it's too stable, it won't explode, it's fairly simple.
It takes an hour to change the temperature, Taricus. You PHYSICALLY CANNOT keep things safe while converting things over an hour of time. You'll have to make LARGE BATCHES of stuff (Sorry for all the caps, but I'm going fast and don't care to use italics on everything) to keep guns/shells firing, which loses out on everything you hope to gain.

[NUKE9.13]

...well, no, it is possible to have something be both stable and explosive. But I believe that usually involves a stabiliser and an explosive combined, not one substance doing both.

[Taricus]

And what bane is, is essentially a pre-mixed explosive and stabiliser.

[Madman198237]

Except it requires magic (Which we do NOT need to require) and is ALMOST as bad as the "Chinese Snow" or whatever it's called, which assumes that A. we've had contact with China and B. That the Chinese have actually invented gunpowder in 930 AD....which I am not so sure about. It's certainly not in a combat-usable form. It's suitable only for rocket propulsion right now.

[Taricus]

Only to create. After it's created it requires no further magic. Presumably.

[NUKE9.13]

assumes that A. we've had contact with China

Keep up, mate. The merchant we traded with was Chinese. Amongst the various treasures he provided, certainly samples of his homeland's wares would be included.

The exact date that gunpowder was invented is unknown. It is arguable that it was invented before 930. And, I mean, it's just fluff, innit?


EDIT: Fixed the votebox. All this talk is tempting me to switch to Chinese Fire.
...but I'm not going to, not just yet.

Bane - Magical Explosive : (2) Taricus, Kashyyk
Lightning Rifle :
Lightning Cannon :
Angel Wings :
Storm Elementals : (1) SMMI
Hariq al-Siyni (Chinese Fire) :
al-Tawrbinat's Wind Machine: (0)
Phoenix (Airship with flamethrowers): (3) NUKE9.13, detoxicated, Madman198237
Adamantine Plate Armor: 
Storm Elementals (Soul Transposal) :

EDIT2: So, apparently we have a Revision Credit, not a Research Credit.

NUKE9.13 - Today at 8:21 PM
Revision?
The turn says it's a Research Credit, @evictedSaint
...
evictedSaint - Today at 8:25 PM
Oh, does it? It should say revision credit. My mistake

So let's maybe not do something too ambitious.

[Kashyyk]

Bane - Magical Explosive : (1) Taricus
Lightning Rifle :
Lightning Cannon :
Angel Wings :
Storm Elementals : (1) SMMI
Hariq al-Siyni (Chinese Fire) : (1) Kashyyk
al-Tawrbinat's Wind Machine: (0)
Phoenix (Airship with flamethrowers): (3) NUKE9.13, detoxicated, Madman198237
Adamantine Plate Armor: 
Storm Elementals (Soul Transposal) :

I'll swap over Nuke, and you're welcome to join me.

[evictedSaint]

Seems like the Phoenix is winning.  Update soon, unless that changes.

[Kashyyk]

Please, for the love of Allah, don't design that death trap.

Bane - Magical Explosive : (2) Taricus, Kashyyk
Lightning Rifle :
Lightning Cannon :
Angel Wings :
Storm Elementals : (1) SMMI
Hariq al-Siyni (Chinese Fire) :
al-Tawrbinat's Wind Machine: (0)
Phoenix (Airship with flamethrowers): (3) NUKE9.13, detoxicated, Madman198237
Adamantine Plate Armor: 
Storm Elementals (Soul Transposal) :

[Khang36]

Not sold on the idea of mounting a flamethrower on to an aircraft.

Bane - Magical Explosive : (3) Taricus, Kashyyk,khang36
Lightning Rifle :
Lightning Cannon :
Angel Wings :
Storm Elementals : (1) SMMI
Hariq al-Siyni (Chinese Fire) :
al-Tawrbinat's Wind Machine: (0)
Phoenix (Airship with flamethrowers): (3) NUKE9.13, detoxicated, Madman198237
Adamantine Plate Armor: 
Storm Elementals (Soul Transposal) :

[Madman198237]

"Death trap" for who? How can it be worse than Bane, the explosive that won't explode until you've spent an hour making it explosive again?

[somemildmanneredidiot]

Proposal:

We take advantage of our BLOS range with the Zephyr, and make it so that we can actually do significant targeted damage with it. It'll help wreck Artillery while pushing every front but the Sea, which is doing quite fine on its own.

We have a Revision Credit this turn, not a Research Credit, so we can spend one Revision making our Alchemical Napalm actually Explosive, which covers the goal of the Bane, and the other to make our Anti-Magic castable from our Skyskiffs allowing us to use it everywhere against the Arsty, which further shuts down their artillery and allows us to further wreck their ships at sea.

Or we can do something else with the revision, like Full Body Adamantium Armor, or Better Airships, or etc. My point being, the Bane is an excellent idea, but with one revision already spent trying to make our Napalm explosive, another revision should achieve our destruction goals. If you vote for my Storm Elementals Design, I'll vote for Bane Revisions, which is a better deal at the moment than close quarters Airship combat.

[Atomic Chicken]

Bane - Magical Explosive : (3) Taricus, Kashyyk,khang36
Lightning Rifle :
Lightning Cannon :
Angel Wings :
Storm Elementals : (1) SMMI
Hariq al-Siyni (Chinese Fire) :
al-Tawrbinat's Wind Machine: (0)
Phoenix (Airship with flamethrowers): (4) NUKE9.13, detoxicated, Madman198237, AC
Adamantine Plate Armor: 
Storm Elementals (Soul Transposal) :

[NUKE9.13]

Hmm :/

This is a hard decision. I think I'm going to trust in air power, though, and hope that the pessimistic projections prove to be just that, pessimistic. Sorry, explosives. If the Phoenix turns out to be useless we'll do you next turn.