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[Madman198237]

But they're using three mages per artillery piece, and we only need one. Really, 1/2.

NUKE, if they make it to the capital, then we're going to need a wunderwaffe, most likely. That said: Before we do that, we're going to need new armor, because we're getting slaughtered in melee. For some reason. We have adamantine halberds, which means we should basically, in melee, be back to way back when, when we had steel halberds versus plate armor and they died a lot.

[NUKE9.13]

Yeah, which is why I'm proposing a wunderwaffle that actually stands a chance of working. Not one that is so ambitious that eS won't even bother rolling for it since it'd get a -5 penalty.

Also, I have no problem with using our revision to improve our armour. We could improve the qualities of Adamantium, perhaps. With a revision.

[Madman198237]

No, it has to be the armor. Adamantine is tough enough, I hope. As a metal, it's more suited to armor than their crystal, which should shatter when hit right. I mean giving it better coverage over the person's body.

Fine, we'll try the antimagic. I think, however, that it's going to have to be, primarily, a range increase on Tubikh Rrahim. If Tubikh Rrahim can reach Extreme range, then we're set. Otherwise, we're just going to have to advance into antimagic range.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

I think we should improve the quanity of our Airships and improve WoR to decrease their arty by another range increment. I can see Extreme Range Anti-Magic working though.

[Kashyyk]

Now that madman has brought it up, I was hoping eS could comment on the ballista/cannon thing. Our ballista is listed as expensive mundane, which I'm guessing is a different set of expense levels to magical, what with there being only one apprentice per squad. It would imply that an expensive mundane object is about as common as a cheap magical object. So even if their cannons are cheap magical objects (because I refuse to believe they're cheap mundane) we should have equal numbers of artillery. Following that with how we need less wizards per ballista, we should have more ballista active at any one time than they do cannons.

[Madman198237]

In fact, Kashyyk, it's worse than that:
Their EXPENSIVE magical shells are the only things that can reach Extreme range under the new conditions.


So, my thoughts: If the design goes well, we roll out a revision or our adamantine armor. If it goes REALLY well and we Preserve Tubikh Rrahims controllability, which, now I think about it, isn't going to be hard at all, we can use the revision to improve our new storm control spell. Namely, making it easier to control, so that the beyond-the-horizon lightning can be easily controlled...or rather, more easily controlled.

We get +1, +2, +3, etc. to lightning and wind, we've been using them for decades. We need to put that to use. And yes, antimagic too. Let's try it, I guess. Also, let's try and get that desert ruling overturned, because I'm still confused as to how that happened.


EDIT: Or we use the revision to turn our tornadoes deadly, even without debris to throw.

[evictedSaint]

They have simply more mages overall (because their school bumps the number of apprentices up)

Moskurg has more highly trained mages (because your school bumps some of the apprentices to wizards).

They have cheap artillery, but it isnt as widely used as it could be because they're running out of apprentices. 

[Madman198237]

Yes, they have more apprentices.

Which mostly DIE, until now, because they're sent up with flares, shot dead, and then more are sent up and the process repeats.

Does their artillery require full wizards, or just apprentices?

[evictedSaint]

Apprentices.  Nearly every mage they have works their artillery, and it's still not enough to field every gun.

[Kashyyk]

Clearly we just need to find a way to reduce the numbers of mages they have.

Form our own Anti-mage sniper squad?

[Madman198237]

Yeah, how on earth did they get this ultra-special antimage special forces and we don't get something like extreme cavalry of firestorm-grenading death or super-specialized carpet wizards?

[crazyabe]

Just a Thought, but why not use our god to make a spell to speak to the souls of our dead solders and gain information we couldn't otherwise know this round (Divination + Necromancy)? Next round we Start asking our god to Resurrect our, and Arstotzka's fallen troops with the souls of our Many dead troops temporary, (Ruining their moral), Finally we Ask our god to send us angels Straight from heaven, the souls of our troops in solid form, to fight off the armys of Arstotzka.

[evictedSaint]

Yeah, how on earth did they get this ultra-special antimage special forces and we don't get something like extreme cavalry of firestorm-grenading death or super-specialized carpet wizards?

They spent a design on it 30 years ago and have been steadily upgrading them since.

[Madman198237]

Was it a different Arms Race that forbade....oh. That might've been Intercontinental.

[NUKE9.13]

Right, let's set whining about Arstotzka winning aside. That won't help us.

Improved fliers would be the correct conventional action. If people really think that we still stand a chance fighting conventionally, I'll vote for Skyskiffs. Explosive shells would be a good revision, using conventional materials just like our flammable shells so that if we do go with Operation Finality, they'll still work.

But I really want to make the argument for an anti-magic wunderwaffle. Cos if whatever we design doesn't let us hold the desert- and bear in mind they are designing new stuff too (probably a tank upgrade)- then we'll be fighting on the walls of our capital, and we won't have the time for theoretical projects anymore.