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[heydude6]

Personally, I think movement should happen at the end of the frame. First, I think it makes more sense, and second, it allows for awesome combos with the more mobile movesets. For example, if an enemy stands still, you can combo a rush cut N with a withdraw S (dagger moves)

Generally, this should benefit the players more since they will generally be outnumbered (I assume at least) meaning that the extra mobility will help them kill more mooks per turn.

[Criptfeind]

Oh, well, I had assumed that it was already at the end of the frame anyway, and you just misspoke.

End of the frame makes more sense. Although, I actually disagree a little bit with the idea that end of the frame is better for the players, since hp can't be healed and players have much more flexibility for movement, a more predictable movement helps the players a lot, and since enemies work on critical existence failure at 0 hp, you don't want to hit lots of dudes per turn anyway, you want to hit one dude lots. Like, if they didn't actually move until the end of turn, I could just step into a safe area and shoot them.

[Draignean]

Frame 1

Swift Actions
Nhin Uses Foxform

Movement/Dodges
Nhin Moves SE x2
Shorn Moves NW
Miles Moves NE

Attacks/Blocks
Bandit 2 uses rush-cut, SE, Threatens Nhin.

Code: (Bandit 2 Vs Nhin) [Select]

L Vs M
To Hit: 1d10+1 vs 1d13 = 3 vs 5, Miss.
 Knife bandit 3 uses Strafe L. NE, automiss.

Warm-Up/Cooldowns
[Empty]

Dead/Disabled
[Empty]

Other
[Empty]

Frame 2

Swift Actions
[Empty]

Movement/Dodges
Nhin Moves SE x2
Shorn Moves North, shoves Bandit 2

Code: (Shorn vs Knife Bandit 2) [Select]

Shove Check: 1d10 Vs 1d10 = 8 vs 3
Shorn Shoves Knife Bandit 2 North
Bandit 2 attempts to dodge roll south, blocked by Shorn.

Attacks/Blocks
Miles Attacks (6,5) Automiss.
Knife Bandit 3 uses Withdraw, S. Automiss.

Warm-Up/Cooldowns
[Empty]

Dead/Disabled
[Empty]

Other
[Empty]

Frame 3

Swift Actions
[Empty]

Movement/Dodges
Nhin Moves SE
Nhin Moves S
Miles Moves SE

Bandit 2 Finishes Dodge Roll

Attacks/Blocks
Shorn Lunges NW, Automiss

Warm-Up/Cooldowns
Knife Bandit 3 cools down heavy attack

Dead/Disabled
[Empty]

Other
[Empty]

Frame 4

Swift Actions
[Empty]

Movement/Dodges
Miles Moves S

Attacks/Blocks
[Empty]

Warm-Up/Cooldowns
Shorn Cools down light attack.
Knife Bandit 3 cools down heavy attack

Dead/Disabled
[Empty]

Other
Nhin Charges power Within
Knife Bandit 2 Does Nothing

Frame 5

Swift Actions
[Empty]

Movement/Dodges
Shorn Moves SW

Attacks/Blocks
Bandit 2 uses Dash-Slash SW, Auto-Miss

Warm-Up/Cooldowns
Miles Cools down

Dead/Disabled
[Empty]

Other
Nhin Charges power Within
Bandit 3 does nothing


It was at that moment that Knife Bandits 2 and 3 knew they had fucked up.

Spoiler: Enemies (click to show/hide)

Knife Bandit 2: 10/10 HP
Knife Bandit 3: 10/10 HP

Spoiler: Bandit Stats (click to show/hide)

Knife Bandit
HP: 10
Modifiers:
-1 Damage
+1 To hit
+2 Evasion
Weapons
Twin Daggers [L:1 H:3 D:2 Dam: 2-5]
Abilities
Throw Dagger: Cooldown 5, Frames 1. Make a light attack with a range of 3.

Patterns:
O->B->WH->H->CH
L->DR>DR->O->L
H->L>CH->CH->0

Axe'n'Shield Bandit
HP: 15
Modifiers:
+2 Damage
+2 Resistance
Weapons
War Axe [L:2 H:4 D:1 Dam: 2-8]
Iron Rimmed Shield [D:3, L:1, Dam 1-2]

Patterns:
B->O->L->B->CL
WL->L>L->CL->O 

Abilities

Spoiler: Miles (click to show/hide)

Name: Miles Twice Dead
HP:  14/20
Archetype: Pistol Wraith
Assets:
Dead Again: If you take more than 25% of your remaining life in a single blow, re-roll the damage and take the lower value.
Agonies:
Death Echo: If you take more than 25% of your remaining life in a single blow, you become staggered.
Inventory:
St. Elmo's Pistols  [L:2 Ra:4 Dam: 6-8]
Hangmans Noose [EVA +4 -Pot: 2]
Charons bribe [Grants Ability: Early Reaping]
Train robbers dynamite [P:5 H:1 Ra:3 U:3/- Dam:15-30]

Potency: 0 (-2)
Precision: 2
Vigor: 0
Will: 0
Agility: 3

Soul:
Hexagram 63: Aftermath
Upper Trigram: Water
Lower Trigram: Fire

Modifiers:
-2 to Dealt Damage
+7 Evasion
+2 to hit

Abilities:
Dead Shot:  Cooldown 10, Frame cost 4. If the attacker is at least 2, and at most 6 tiles away, make single light attack. Attack gains +1 bonus damage per point the attack roll exceeds the defense roll. This can double the dealt damage, but no more. If this ability doubles the damage of the light attack, it is counted as a heavy attack for the purposes of inflicting stagger.
Blazing Doubleshot: Cooldown -, Framecost 5. Aligns weapon with fire and and makes two heavy attacks, burst pattern. This attack staggers you.
Early Reaping: Cooldown 2, Framecost 2. Select a single damaged target. That target has a %chance to die instantly equal to its current health fraction divided by two. (A unit at half health has a 25% chance to be killed instantly). If it fails, you take 1-6 damage.

Spoiler: Shorn (click to show/hide)

Name: Shorn
HP: 13/20
Archetype: Writhing Wall
Assets:
Union of the Old Flesh: Every 3 points of damage taken or dealt gains a charge that can be applied to increase a stat by 1 for a round.
Agonies:
Unstable Form: Abilities have a 25% chance to fizzle and go on cooldown when used.

Inventory:
Writhing Gothic Plate [R:5 -Acc:2 -E:2]
Tower Shield of Eyes [D:4 H:1 Dam: 0-2]
Starmetal Sword [L:2 H:4 Dam: 5-12]
Amulet of Unspeakable Whispers [Grants ability: Insidious Doubt]

Statistics
Potency: 0
Precision: 0
Vigor: 0
Will: 5
Agility: 0

Soul:
Hexagram 8: Bonding
Upper Trigram: Water
Lower Trigram: Earth

Modifiers
Resistance: 10
1d2 Evasion
-2 to Hit
Union of the Old Flesh: 4 Charges

Abilities
Unspeakable Revelation: Cooldown 10, Frames 5. Swap resistance and Potency and make a single heavy attack.
Death Stare: Cooldown 3, Frames 1. Block action. Throw an attack roll on a successful block with the shield of eyes, if the target is struck their Will is reduced by the damage dealt. Reducing a target below 0 Will with this ability deals 1 point of damage.
Insidious Doubt Once per Encounter, Frames -. Curse a single target. That target gains a cumulative 5% chance to be staggered whenever they fail to hit you. Staggering an opponent in this manner resets the counter, as does a successful strike on their part. After three staggers, or if you stagger, the effect breaks.

Spoiler: Nhin (click to show/hide)

Name: Nhin Thalles
HP: 7/15
Archetype: Vulpine Arcanist
Assets: 
Calculating: If Nhin attacks on the fourth or fifth frame, the accuracy and damage are increased by 1.
Agonies:
Hesitant: If Nhin attacks on the first or second frame, the accuracy and damage are decreased by 1.

Statistics:
Potency: 2 (1)
Precision: 1 (2)
Vigor: 0 (-1)
Will: 0
Agility: 2 (3)

Inventory:
Red Sakura Staff  [L:2 H:3, dam 5-8]
Phantasmal Silk Robes [E:4 -Pot: 1]
Mystic Fox's Mask [Adds Ability: Foxform]
Foxtail Charm [+1 Agility, +1 Precision, -1 Vigor]


Soul:
Hexagram 5: Calculated Waiting
Upper Trigram: Water
Lower Trigram: Heaven (Metal)

Modifiers 
+1 Damage (-3)
+2 To hit 
+7 EVA  (+9)
12/20 Power Within


Abilities
Dancing Blossoms: Cooldown 5, Frames 2. Gain +2 Evasion, +2 Resistance, -3 Potency until discharged or dispelled. Use again while active to use one of two abilities-
-Coming of Winter: Discharge and attempt to freeze a target within three spaces. Increases Resistance by 8 but removes all evasion. Lasts for 1d4-1 rounds. Water type attack.
-Heaven's Garden: Requires 3 frames. Discharge and select any tile within four spaces as the center of a pillar of metal flowers. Central point is a heavy attack dealing 5-15 damage, all adjacent are affected by a light attack dealing 3-7 damage. Metal Type.
-Inevitable End: Discharge and select any adjacent tile. Any unit that occupies that tile is hit with a heavy attack that deals 7-13 damage and cannot be evaded or resisted.

Power Within: Cooldown -, Frames X. Sacrifice any number of frames on the current round to charge this ability by X*2, this ability can hold up to 20 charges. You lose 1 charge per turn when not charging. Abilities can be used without paying a frame cost.
-Inner Light:  Sacrifice 2 charge to gain a +1 bonus to resistance and potency for one round. At 5 charges, this ability can be applied as a debuff to an enemy within 3 tiles instead.
-Nine Souls:  Sacrifice 5 charge and take one ability, either yours or your ally's, and remove up to 5 frames of cooldown. At 10 charges, this grants a 25% chance for your own abilities to not go on cooldown when used.
-Beacon of Glory: Sacrifice 5 charge to add a +1 bonus to resistance and potency to all allies for one round. At 15 charges, all allies within 3 tiles gain +1 potency and resistance passively.

Foxform: Cooldown Once per Encounter, Frames -. Meld equipment, lose given bonuses. Gain +5 Evasion, -3 Potency. Gain Quick asset (1 move action moves you two spaces). Can still cast abilities that don't depend on weapon. Can be negated at any time.

[OceanSoul]

I just realized that it doesn't say my current charge of Power Within. Where WOULD that go, anyway?

[Draignean]

I just realized that it doesn't say my current charge of Power Within. Where WOULD that go, anyway?

It's listed in your character sheet under modifiers, same with Shorn's.

It's been there for a couple rounds.

[OceanSoul]

Huh. Didn't see that.

[IronyOwl]

Well then.

1. Heavy Attack: Heavy Lunge NW
2. Block
3. Cooldown Heavy
4. Cooldown Heavy
5. Cooldown Heavy

It's a shame I can't hit them with the sweet spot, but 5-12 * 2 / 2 * 1.5 still gives 7.5-18, which gives me a 37.5% (75% kill * 50% hit) chance to kill either of them outright if we trade shots. If they drool on themselves Frame 1 I have a mere 18.75% kill chance, and if they swap out for a move action... I miss entirely. Unfortunate, but at least I'm not getting counterattacked on that frame.

I'll have to reluctantly approve of mid-combat movement. It's annoying to have to deal with, but makes things much more interesting and hectic.

[Draignean]

Well then.

1. Heavy Attack: Heavy Lunge NW
2. Block
3. Cooldown Heavy
4. Cooldown Heavy
5. Cooldown Heavy

It's a shame I can't hit them with the sweet spot, but 5-12 * 2 / 2 * 1.5 still gives 7.5-18, which gives me a 37.5% (75% kill * 50% hit) chance to kill either of them outright if we trade shots. If they drool on themselves Frame 1 I have a mere 18.75% kill chance, and if they swap out for a move action... I miss entirely. Unfortunate, but at least I'm not getting counterattacked on that frame.

I'll have to reluctantly approve of mid-combat movement. It's annoying to have to deal with, but makes things much more interesting and hectic.

Well, if you want to go for an OHKO you could spend your 4 charges of Union of the Old Flesh to increase your accuracy by +4, then use unspeakable revelation to give that lunge a +10 damage boost.

[IronyOwl]

Well, if you want to go for an OHKO you could spend your 4 charges of Union of the Old Flesh to increase your accuracy by +4, then use unspeakable revelation to give that lunge a +10 damage boost.

I probably should use my charges, but I'm a hoarder.

Unspeakable Revelation is severely tempting, except that then my Resistance gets tanked while I'm trading shots with them (or missing entirely because they swapped out that action to move).

[Draignean]

Well, if you want to go for an OHKO you could spend your 4 charges of Union of the Old Flesh to increase your accuracy by +4, then use unspeakable revelation to give that lunge a +10 damage boost.

I probably should use my charges, but I'm a hoarder.

Unspeakable Revelation is severely tempting, except that then my Resistance gets tanked while I'm trading shots with them (or missing entirely because they swapped out that action to move).

What if I told you they reset between encounters?

[Criptfeind]

1. Blazing doubleshot: Heavy attack Burst on 6,4 Heavy attack Burst on 6,4
2. Heavy Attack Cooldown
3. Heavy Attack Cooldown
4. Heavy Attack Cooldown
5. Heavy Attack Cooldown

[OceanSoul]

I'll hold back for now. Charge Power Within every frame, and use Beacon of Light after the second frame. Irony, Crypt, any objections?

[Criptfeind]

Sounds alright to me.

[Draignean]

Frame 1

Swift Actions
[Empty]

Movement/Dodges
[Empty]

Attacks/Blocks
Shorn uses Heavy Lunge, NW, threatens Knife Bandit 2 and Knife Bandit 3.

Code: (Shorn Vs Knife Bandit 3) [Select]

H vs O
To Hit: 1d10-2 vs 1d6 = 8 vs 2, Hit.
Damage: 1d8+4 = 11
Killed


Code: (Shorn Vs Knife Bandit 2) [Select]

H vs H
To Hit: 1d10-2 vs 1d6 = 6 vs 6, Reroll. 0 vs 1, Miss.
Knife Bandit 3 uses Strafe Right

Code: ( Knife Bandit 2 Vs Shorn ) [Select]

H vs H
To Hit: 1d10 vs 1d2+5 (7) = 3 vs 7, Miss.
Miles uses Blazing Doubleshot

Code: (Miles Vs Knife Bandit 2) [Select]

H vs H
To Hit: 1d10+2 vs 1d6 = 5 vs 3, Hit
Damage: 1d3+3 = 5*1.5 = 7


Code: (Miles Vs Knife Bandit 2) [Select]

H vs H
To Hit: 1d10+2 vs 1d6 =  6 vs 6, Re-Roll. 6 vs 2. Hit
Damage: 1d3+3 = 6*1.5 = 9
Killed

Warm-Up/Cooldowns


Dead/Disabled
Knife Bandit 1
Knife Bandit 2

Other
Nhin Charges Power Within


Well, I think we've found the niche of ranged combat. Those first round shots, before people have a chance to move or do anything, are rather useful for softening up hard targets or thinning out the weak but fast buggers that traditional melee has trouble with.

So, we've now tested a smidge of the movesets. What do people think of the rules so far? What is strong, what is weak, what needs further testing, and what would you like to explore next?

[IronyOwl]

I probably should use my charges, but I'm a hoarder.

What if I told you they reset between encounters?

I would not be terribly surprised.

Well, I think we've found the niche of ranged combat. Those first round shots, before people have a chance to move or do anything, are rather useful for softening up hard targets or thinning out the weak but fast buggers that traditional melee has trouble with.

So, we've now tested a smidge of the movesets. What do people think of the rules so far? What is strong, what is weak, what needs further testing, and what would you like to explore next?

I suspect a lower number of frames per round might make combat more tactical. I appreciate the granularity of five, but it makes it hard to predict when the action is going to happen even with pattern combos, which in turn shifts a lot of battle frames to muddy dead space.

The number of attack patterns may be part of this also, since the round becomes harder and harder to predict as the frames go on. Our mobility-happy daggerfriends probably exacerbated this, though, since I think I was entirely focused on attack spikes and openings on the axe bandits.


I absolutely love the flavor of windup/cooldown attacking and combos; I was pretty routinely imagining the attack animations for telegraphing (windup) or making and then sluggishly resetting from (cooldown) attacks.

That said, I found myself checking the front page to remember what the consequences of getting hit during their W/C were a lot. I dunno if they're not intuitive enough or too complex or I'm just not used to it or what, but it was kind of a pain.


I'm sure I'll have more thoughts when I'm not distracted.