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Let the poor innocent mayor be

12 (63.2%)

Put the master elf into the position

7 (36.8%)

Total Members Voted: 18

[Ironfang]

Welp, after my fort's latest election, they chose a new mayor.

They elected an elf dancer.

I looked him over, and he isn't even a particularly dwarf-like elf. His fellow elves were perfectly fine additions. The other two didn't care about nature, and the master was dwarven enough to be made broker. But this guy, is just a fat hippie.

 He also has a thing for picks, and nothing else just like the queen's husband.

Should I replace him with his master, or let my dwarves undermine their own democracy? Any other thoughts?

[Shonai_Dweller]

Immortals have centuries to build up the social skills needed to capture key states the hearts and minds of the simple dwarf. Half the nobles in your kingdom are probably elves or goblins. Just the way it is. Leaves real dwarves time to focus on important things, like masterwork doors and boozing.

But hey, it's a democracy. All you need is one fella near the magma switch to declare 'let the voice of the minority who voted against this fat hippie be heard!'.

[Ironfang]

But the thing is, the old dwarf mayor is the same age as the elves. The world is only 145 years old.
My Civ does have a lot of human nobles though.

After looking into it, the master elf also happens to have no preferences.

[JumpingJack]

Dwarven governments confuse me. They've elements of socialism and capitalism, monarchies and republics democracies.

An answer to your question, though: If playing political simulators and watching the news has taught me anything, it's that when your people elect a charming hippie over a more qualified individual, the only thing that you can do is allow them to see the error of their ways through due time.

...And when they inevitably want to vote for the hippie again, call in a favor from the dwarf mafia.

[Inconspicuous]

Dwarven governments confuse me. They've elements of socialism and capitalism, monarchies and republics democracies.

An answer to your question, though: If playing political simulators and watching the news has taught me anything, it's that when your people elect a charming hippie over a more qualified individual, the only thing that you can do is allow them to see the error of their ways through due time.

...And when they inevitably want to vote for the hippie again, call in a favor from the dwarf mafia.

This gave me an idea: Retire the fort, make an adventure mode character, murder the elf mayor, and then switch to dwarf mode. Convict your previous adventurer of the crime, then forget it all happened. Or, better yet, have your dwarven adventurer claim the position of mayor!

[Ironfang]

Dwarven governments confuse me. They've elements of socialism and capitalism, monarchies and republics democracies.

An answer to your question, though: If playing political simulators and watching the news has taught me anything, it's that when your people elect a charming hippie over a more qualified individual, the only thing that you can do is allow them to see the error of their ways through due time.

...And when they inevitably want to vote for the hippie again, call in a favor from the dwarf mafia.

This gave me an idea: Retire the fort, make an adventure mode character, murder the elf mayor, and then switch to dwarf mode. Convict your previous adventurer of the crime, then forget it all happened. Or, better yet, have your dwarven adventurer claim the position of mayor!

The hippie elf is still useful though. I don't want him murdered. He used to spend his days being a happy little elf making clothes and cloth for all the good little humans and dwarves. The elves are of my most prized possessions in the fort. I just dislike it when they forget there place.

[Grimlocke]

Groom a new candidate, by removing all labors from a dwarf with decent social skills and letting them get drunk all day at the tavern. Mayors get picked almost solely by their social skills, not their morals, ambitions and whatnot. Quite realistic!

[Mungrul]

The elves are of my most prized possessions in the fort. I just dislike it when they forget there place.

It's things like this that keep me coming back to DF. Transpose that to a real-life scenario, and it's abhorrent. Yet in a world where cats are regularly butchered to make kitten mittens, it's just run-of-the-mill.

[StagnantSoul]

The elves are of my most prized possessions in the fort. I just dislike it when they forget there place.

It's things like this that keep me coming back to DF. Transpose that to a real-life scenario, and it's abhorrent. Yet in a world where cats are regularly butchered to make kitten mittens, it's just run-of-the-mill.

I will now forever use kitten leather only for mittens.

[Baffler]

The mayor's only job is to treat with unhappy people once you get a baron (and before then they also treat with diplomats and are technically responsible for appointing lower nobles like the broker and bookkeeper,) so social skills are the only real qualification for the job. The dwarves choosing based on social skills is choosing on merit, so unless the elf has annoying preferences he is, technically, the most effective choice.

So long as the landholder and his successors are dwarves, the legal culture of your fortress is safe. It's of little consequence who the commoners choose to represent themselves, and if it wasn't an elf it'd probably be a vampire or some other stupid thing anyway.

[muldrake]

So long as the landholder and his successors are dwarves, the legal culture of your fortress is safe. It's of little consequence who the commoners choose to represent themselves, and if it wasn't an elf it'd probably be a vampire or some other stupid thing anyway.

Sometimes I think for a minute or two that little things like this are Toady's subtle commentaries on society.

Then I realize they're probably just the natural result of detailed simulation of reality.

[Ironfang]

The mayor's only job is to treat with unhappy people once you get a baron (and before then they also treat with diplomats and are technically responsible for appointing lower nobles like the broker and bookkeeper,) so social skills are the only real qualification for the job. The dwarves choosing based on social skills is choosing on merit, so unless the elf has annoying preferences he is, technically, the most effective choice.

So long as the landholder and his successors are dwarves, the legal culture of your fortress is safe. It's of little consequence who the commoners choose to represent themselves, and if it wasn't an elf it'd probably be a vampire or some other stupid thing anyway.

All of the elves were well versed in social skills. The one that became mayor happened to have mastery of ones like persuasion. The master elf was skilled enough to become the new broker. The traits just happened to line up in a way that was pretty entertaining in a role play sense.

In practicality, the master was better for the job. The master had no preferences at all, and he had no job other than socializing. I just replaced the elected mayor with his master because the master had far more time in his hands because he didn't need to worry about making the dwarves' textiles.

[Ehndras]

*thumbs up* Allow him to live. See what happens.