I dunno why y'all want advice.
I'll take the chance to self-aggrandize though:
TiruinI never picked you up as scum because you never slipped as scum (that I could read), until you showed yourself as scum with the day actions (last posts D3).
However, you never slipped as town. You did very little to establish yourself as town; you took no risks, were very conservative with information, etc. For this reason, I either:
Items:
BHK:
The deck of many things (here in it's 3.5 incarnation in more or less it's original setting) is pretty well the poster child for gambling magical items, hence it's recurrence in many roguelikes (like DCSS, as Tiruin mentioned).
Unfortunately, any of the bag of herbs, the purple boots, or the geology textbook could be my associated item. I would suggest that it is probably not the bag of herbs. If you have a stronger description of the items, the boots should mention hobnails if they are mine. If they don't, then I really have no idea.
Player comments:
Cinder is actually playing. It's, uh, underwhelming, but not everyone can be an asshole who drowns out the world in daily walls of text so it's fine.
flame99 isn't really playing, to the point of P25 TBF. I'd like to see a lot more content from here, please, and will be asking questions.
Tiruin is invested in the game and helping the town, so she can stick around for now since I'd rather lynch disruptive or inactive players who might be lazy scum than an active and helpful player of completely unknown alignment
Webadict played a very strong town game D1 in that he spent all of D1 rolefishing and baiting reactions out of scum (specifically) and has continued to be authentic in his treatment of his role.
Deus Asmoth was me but not as cute, I'm town so he was town though not as towny, toot toot
TheDarkStar by far and away the most lynchable player on the roster, and yet the one we can't lynch (probably). I'd really like to see some work from him since he's almost certainly town (this is a non-bastard and not nearly high power enough for me to expect unlynchable scum)
TheBiggerFish dead and town, boo hoo very sad I cried at the funeral. Not relevant right now, may as well keep up doing town work since they win with us.
4maskwolf calls players out in games they're not playing in, mistakes hunting for scum (via direct rolefishing) for disrupting scum (which should occur in parallel to rolefishing) and RVS for doing work. He's actually been playing a fairly standard and dependable day game so I'm inclined to say that he's worth keeping around.
BlackHeartKabal started out weak, playing fairly strong right now. Probably town, definitely town-y (pro-information and useful) so a cool guy all around.
I only noticed in rereading 4mask that he claimed what BHK did last night (with his more normal ability, anyhow).
Questions:
flame99
Do you intend to contribute more than asking vacuous questions to the mod and interacting with the bare minimum of game mechanics?
Is webadict town or scum?
Am I scum or town?
What alignment is cinder?
Are there third parties in this game?
If you could, would you lynch TDS right now? Is TDS scum?
Webadict
Do you have any reads on Cinder or flame99, and if so what are they?
Tiruin
Do you have any reads on Cinder or flame99, and if so what are they?
4maskwolf
By process of elimination, I should be pushing a case on either flame99 or Cinder. Which of them would you prefer I did so on, and would you support either such case?
BlackHeartKabal
Why have I so clearly set up a position for me to tunnel certain players from when I have no particular reason to think those players are or aren't scum.
People who like to answer needless RVS style WIFOM
Is anyone here a third party, and does anyone here think it's likely that a third party exists?
or
Do you have anything else that clears him? Also, who are you suspicious of?
No. I have nothing to clear TDS. I'm actually more suspicious of him after the night and especially after his claim to have only had one ability. During the night, I kept coming back to the thought of a 1 man scumteam TDS. Now, this seems absurd and unlikely given TBF's role text, and the fact that it basically turns the game into a bastard. However, with the Webadict role revelations and his claim, I'm inclined to consider alternatively; perhaps TDS's extremely anti-town game is because he's a survivor. Now, I doubt this, particularly in light of how easily TBF could change the numbers against town's favor (TBF's role in general is almost one I'd prefer never existed, though I do know that if he hadn't been roleblocked I'd be playing as a highly caffeinated and oversweetened cup of coffee rather than as a mary sue written by a sub-par children's author and furthermore have the advantage of being rolled onto a team where I am an 'extra member' beyond the balanced limits); regardless, he isn't clear and I wouldn't mind his being killed by, say, the wrath of god.
I haven't posted a reads list this game (has anyone?) so I'll do that now.
TBF: I also think that, barring any circumstances abiding--today is a good day for you to RETURN.
As a town player, I agree strongly with this sentiment.
Reads, from most to least happy to lynch today:
2/3 are scum
4maskwolf
There's nothing wrong with his play, other than where he claimed that Cinder was responsible for TBF's being blocked (which so far as I can tell is a false narrative), and the vagueness of the information he has given out about his role (consider; what is now an 'earlier claim' to having one ability is his having used the phrase 'my ability'), and the way he took action to redirect the kill rather than just claiming his ability and letting the vig decide what to do. Actually suspicious enough to vote. 4maskwolf
Juicebox
Replaced over a phenomenally unhelpful and generally inactive player, has continued to be pretty unhelpful. Asks for reads but doesn't provide them. Has a claimed killing power, but is trying to use it as pressure in a really poor way. Didn't target me last night, even though it would have been the logical choice.
Tiruin
Very strong daygame, supported by a lack of suspicion from a very townie town player who had her in a quicktopic for some time. Really, townie all around.
meta clear
BlackHeartKabal
Solid daygame for quite some time, claim has been externally verified, claimed own action in multiple cases, has been using core ability in precisely the way I would as town, core ability seems odd for mafia to have.
TheDarkStar
It's TheDarkStar. He's useless and plays against the town, but so did the town player we lynched, and his ability easily creates the situation where he would be highly disengaged from the game.
cute girl trapped in an old hag's body
doll
It's me, I'm me, don't lynch me.
The only reason I never got around to throwing a lynch at you is because Juicebox and Cinder had such fantastically weak day
and night games that were not only 'empty lynches' (that is, unreadable badtown/badscum) but also huge mechanical liabilities (if a player does odd things at night which work against their town wincon I find it a suggestion that they may not have a town wincon).
Basically, I had a lot of reasons to put pressure on you (for being 'anti-town' in not sharing role information, in particular) but I was distracted by what appeared to be real scum as opposed to less than ideal townplay.
Also, I dunno what you're talking about with considering personally understood (and otherwise meaningless) cases to be something you can't address. That's exactly what you should be addressing from the start, by creating the image of townness. Thinking 'did he tick the boxes for scum' isn't an efficient way to play at all because it has no real bearing on whether or not you can get someone lynched. Leafsnail did it all through P25 and as soon as I did the same thing (when I was trying to get him lynched) I completely failed to move the town; the whole exercise was futile because logical thought will inevitably reach the conclusion that town can scumslip too and outlining your logical thoughts isn't a good way to generate the emotional energy required to get people to take action.
Anyway, you were scum because you weren't town. Other (town) players were scum for actually being scum, so they got lynched first and you were able to coast along just off the edge of a lynch until mechanics (and FoU/TBF) rode out the rest of the game.
4maskwolfMost of what I said to Tiruin applies to you, only she was more aggressive (and thus townier).
It's not so much a question of activity (although activity helps) but more importance. If you can make yourself a major case on D1, the towny glow of working off a case will last the rest of the game (see: BHK this game or my P25).
I liked your case against me (using my case against you), because it legitimately criticized the behavior which would (in part) cause me to lose the game; not going after hard targets. Of course, I went after soft targets because soft, scummy smelling things are more likely to be scum than hard shells with unknown interiors.
On the back of that case and your purposeful manner, I read you as town in early D4.
Basically, make more of a scene I guess?
FoUI don't know what you're talking about with 'vetos' or 'role restrictions'.
Language has no inherent meaning (that is, asocially). There was never a 'paradox'. You made that interpretation up with your own mind, 100%. Every role and rule was your choice from go to the red light at the end. You were never not in control. You never had to live up to the expectation of any player or otherwise follow any restrictions in your conduct.
Fundamentally, you should do whatever you think is best for the game. TBF's role(s), TDS's role, and the un-extend had nothing (0%) to do with anything other than your own deliberate action. I don't know why you're asking for advice when all I can really say is "don't deliberately make the game bad". Also, just don't give a shit and do whatever suits you best. Usually that means running with things, sometimes not;
it is and always was up to you.
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