unvoteD1:
P2: FOU - TDS hammer mechanics
P3: Webadict - someone has a Canadian role
P4: TDS - role is shakeragian
(There's a lot of Cinder dancing around claiming an information role from P5 onwards but let's avoid that for now)
P7: Webadict begins to breadcrumb his flavor-hunting role
P7: Deus doll claims to have more than one night action
P7: Webadict claims his need for flavor and that he has more than one night action
P9: Deus doll claims to be Granny Weatherwax
P9-10: TBF starts his '''''breadcrumbing'''' of his rolename
P13: Webadict posts his censored item list
P17: voting: TDS puts TBF on the block
P21: TBF comes off the voting block (Y:0 N:6, webadict, BlackHeartKabal, TheBiggerFish, Deus Asmoth, 4maskwolf, TheDarkStar)
(TBF sort of explains his role over pages 21 - 24 but it's spread over multiple threads)
P24: voting: TDS puts BHK on the block
P26: BHK claims the kill part of their night power
P31: Day ends, BHK lynch (Y:2, TheDarkStar, Deus Asmoth N:5, Tiruin, BlackHeartKabal, webadict, flame99, 4maskwolf A:2, Cinder, TheBiggerFish)
P:31 TBF murdered
P:31 4maskwolf claims that BHK's information ability misfired and told 4maskwolf BHK's night ability, thus supporting BHK's night ability claim. 4mask also claimed to have a night ability which failed N1 due to it's chance based nature.
P:31 Webadict claims that TBF and Tiruin were successfully gifted
P:32 TBF claims to have been roleblocked
P:33 Cinder claims an inspection
P:34 Webadict claims Tiruin has an RNG aspect to her role
P:35 Cinder claims to detect rolenames with their inspection (and nothing else)
P:36 Cinder claims to have blocked (and inspected) TBF
P:37 fla-juicebox claims rolename as 'demolitionist'
P:39 doll reiterates Granny Weatherwax rolename claim, and makes a vague comment about not having a(n extra) reason to suspect webadict. Claims to have an information ability, and a non-information probability based ability.
P:39 BHK claims to be extending the day, the day is extended. Lots of people get slot machines. TDS uses slot machine, voting returns to normal from TDS losing an ability. Webadict uses the slot machine, nothing happens.
P:40 Tiruin uses slot machine. BHK claims Casino Royale. BHK clarifies their night ability.
P:41 fla-juicebox claims a 1shot delayed kill and an anti-roleblock
P:43 4maskwolf claims a kill-specific revive
P:44 voting: Cinder Lynched (Y:3, 4maskwolf, doll, webadict)
P:44 webadict was murdered
P:44 BHK claims to have tried to kill doll, been blocked by dolls ability, received DoMT
P:44 doll claims to have an ability blocking auto, not to have received an item
P:44 juicebox claims bomb is set
P:45 doll claims that the bomb is on TDS
P:45 TDS claims that they would have had vote control even while dead
P:46 4maskwolf claims that they were roleblocked last night
P:46 Tiruin claims that they can protect up to three players publicly, using webadict's item
I'd honestly be fine with BHK being actually lynched today.
Id honestly be fine with winning a particularly high stakes game of dice with you. Want to claim one of your abilities so that I don't have to check for myself?
Sure. I can turn you into a beetle and then step on you.
4maskwolfI assume this is what you were talking about when you said that DA claimed to have a kill?
I do have a 'curse' (my second night power) but it isn't a kill, and it does have a RNG based success rate; it's a 50% chance block which can last multiple nights, again based on RNG (it rolls each night then falls through on the first night that it doesn't block).
I'm saying all this because I'm probably going to fullclaim pretty soon. I'm going to fullclaim pretty soon because it's mostly towny players (4mask, Tiruin) who haven't claimed much yet or who have no unverified abilities (BHK, though he now has a deck) and so I'm in a situation where the players I'm most interested in sharing information with know the least.
Well, here is my revised reads list:
dollThe one posting this list.
Not that 'old hag' was referring to the role, not to some physical self. I suppose I should have made a joke about coffee instead, since that was what I went in with.
The following players could have killed scum!TDS (or, according to him now, his partner) in the following ways, from what is claimed:
juicebox delayed 1shot vigkill
BHK 50/50 suicidal reusable vigkill
Cinder votestealing nightpower (mindcontrol-esque)
Literally nobody else at all in any way
TheDarkStarLethargic. Brief. Consistently pushing against the towniest players in the thread, but without making any sort of legitimate case. Constantly hidden from pressure by the shroud of his impossibly strong daypower. Claims daypower would protect partner as well, were he mafia.
His play is so atrocious that I want him dead, even though I think he's probably town. I realize that we're at mylo and that's not a great way to think in many ways, but it's because I actually do think that he's scummy (and not merely anti-town), yet I'm terrified to commit to lynching him because I can't bring myself to believe that he's scum with that ability.
He may have lied about his not being able to be lynched. Town may be hiding some serious role-removal power, or other methods of escaping his rules. Now that the ability is gone forever, we can't even check, and that sits even further in his favor if he is scum (note that
he removed his own role power, though he could easily have done so as anti-town town).
I have only the pretense of his rolepower stopping me from calling him out and out scum (to the same degree of immense scummyness as P25 leafsnail, for those who recall).
juiceboxThe scum that
time doll forgot.
Through the entire early game, flame99 was an unhelpful player who contributed as little as they could and flailed around. So incompetent were they that it was thought that they were badtown rather than badscum by, you know, nobody at all and actually webadict even said that they were probably scum. I've had it firmly in my mind that flame99 was so bad that they were unreadable, but maybe their worthless daygame actually was malicious or they had
very poor instruction within scumchat.
Recently, claims to have their bomb out. I know for a fact that
juicebox visited TDS Night 2.
The bomb therefore should be on TDS, or there is no bomb and, for instance, scum!juicebox used their anti-roleblock power or something else similar on scum!TDS. I mention this because a juicebox/TDS scumteam merely needs to convince us not to vote TDS (because he has a bomb on him) or juicebox (because he has a bomb on TDS) and they win, because it's mylo. The bomb encourages us not to no-lynch because, after all, we're wasting a chance to get a mislynch on mylo.
Alternatively, the visit to TDS is of hostile intent, and juicebox does have a bomb on a semiclear player.
Juicebox seems like the easiest scum, and I'll be following up on this. I don't like how flame99 played, I don't like how juicebox plays, I don't like how juicebox has described their night activity today, and I don't like juicebox's target during Night 2.
TiruinHad a very strong D1.
Spent a very large amount of valuable time after D1 arguing with a virtual non-player in her interactions with TDS. This was purely legitimate and honest conduct, but it adds nothing within the context of an unlynchable TDS. Depending on how Tiruin's abilities shake out, I'm inclined to expect that she's town.
I need a bit more information before I can make a strong statement here, so for now I'll say; probably town
4maskwolfReliably strong daygame.
My issues with 4mask stemmed from unaddressed questions which were, themselves, illegitimate. Though these questions should have been answered, it is understandable as such that they were not given a lack of activity and the strength of his overall daygame within what time he has had to post.
Very likely town.
BlackHeartKabalReliably strong daygame, multiple externally verified claims, verified, excellent (town) night activity.
I fake townslips, so I'm not going to pretend I'm Jack AT and try to read an alignment out of a word or two. What I can say is, there isn't any purchase to call BHK scum. They just haven't got the sort of mistake that label needs to grip onto. They're town.
Town.
Fullclaim:
As I mentioned, I'll be fullclaiming soon, i.e. right now.
Here's my full claim:
Granny WeatherwaxTrack/Watch (Night, unlimited)
Immune to undisclosed abilities (Auto, I don't know what I'm immune to)
Unblockable (Auto, I cannot be roleblocked)
Curse (Night, 1shot, for
subsequent nights the target has 50% chance of failing night actions until they succeed once)
Night 1: Watched Webadict, nobody visited
Night 2: Watched TheDarkStar, Juicebox visited
I'm fullclaiming because I'm unblockable and Tiruin is claiming that they can protect me, so I have no reason not to vis a vis giving info to scum for night actions.
I've already all but claimed anyway so it's not like I had anything left but a 'gotcha' about my N2 action, except it was obvious that I watched TDS.
I want town (BHK, Tiruin and 4mask in particular) to know where I'm at, so they can work from the same frame (or better) that I'm operating from. Feel free to massclaim if you think that's whats good.
Questions & Comments
TiruinAnd we have no idea anymore and can't counter-check that or the scope of his ability now that it's destroyed. It's a claim that can be done anytime as the ability doesn't priorly...exist. In which I treat it skeptically because I can't see how that even WORKS unless it tacks on an EXTRA auto of:
> You're able to VOTE even in death.
TDS claims they have no abilities left, and only ever had one, thought at the same time that they claimed this they also were suspicious of my asking about their claim.
Tiruin: do you think TDS is scum? If TDS is probably scum, should we lynch them?
I'll take your invitation 100%, but before you commit to giving me it remember to make sure as to whether or not I'm getting lynched today. Also I don't know if I might be immune to your invitation, so that'll be interesting.
4maskwolfDid you visit TDS (with a block)? Is it possible that Juicebox's visiting TDS had an effect on you?
Could you believe it if TDS were scum? Do you have a way to get around TDS's ability if he were scum and you were town(a kill or ability removal or vote redirect power)?
juiceboxIf nobody thinks TDS is scum, is there a single reason we wouldn't lynch you today?
By process of elimination, I've left myself with Juicebox and TDS as scum. Tiruin is also a maybe, and 4mask is the less confirmed of he and BHK. Even so, my town reads on these three players (and, obviously, myself) are vastly stronger than those I have on these others, even taking meta into account (in the case of TDS) and my irrational fear of missing a stated mechanical opportunity (via Juicebox).
Before I put my money where my mouth is, and vote one of these players, though, I'd like to shake out any last mechanical information which may inform our options in lynching amongst them.