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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #54255 on: December 17, 2024, 02:24:06 am »

Like Shonus said I think the correlation was mostly due to a person willing to smoke an illegal joint being more likely to try an illegal other drug, and because they started backwards and looked at hard drug users. I didn't know that part. Basically, overbearing marihuana enforcement was mostly political rather than a response to a threat to public safety. Generally such actual (non health related because smoking and other forms of ingestion would be various levels of harmful to health, or at least hallucinatory levels of harmful to health which to be fair since I'm giving this caveat [which is more than the Gateway Drug people would have done], is completely sufficient for agendapushing) threats were accessory to the black market created by prohibition. It's easy to say everything is going wrong because of those people and look it's because of this smelly thing they are smoking, and it's surprisingly easy to sneak in ways to make money from doing so. It sort of creates a political underclass that polite society preys upon, if I were to be dramatic.

In reality, the two reasons I can think of offhand for why marihuana was made illegal when it was, were because of the aforementioned discrimination being of political use by shitty politicians, and probably more importantly, hemp paper was just developed and it was cheaper than wood pulp paper at that specific time. Hearst, the infamous newspaper baron, had sunk a large investment into paper mills for his newspapers.

That's why it's important to remember if you are dumb for the present, you are dumb for the future and the future's future as well. Mandatory amen.

If you want to see some of the early days, there is a most famous video called Reefer Madness. Remember that my government can't legally hire the target of this movie ever since! Not even the most otherwise orthodox ones! Or else it's illegal! Forever! Like some kind of hook to be pulled on! No one is allowed to touch the hook!

EDIT: That said, it's not something for everyone. On-Duty people or whatever, I'm not going to pretend ... to know the term. Those ones, those make more sense, man. Afterwards though? After 8 hour shift? Maybe. Ask the scientists... the honest ones bro. The honest ones. Not the ones in Kobra. EDIT: man... the reference is not whatever the real kobra acronym is, the GI Joe, movie one. I don't know what that is but I bet that's a real acronym for something <ponders>

EDIT2: I rememebered something, man.

https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/health-plans/cobra

AAhh, I forgot that was named cobra. That's not spelled the same. I know less about it than Kobra, which is already not much because I like Batman more. I didn't name these things, I only watch the cartoons.

EDIT#: Egads the GIJoe one IS spelled COBRA. <enters paranoid state> I joke! While that can happen from marihuana, that is a harmless... INSURANCE PLAN!?

This joke is barely funny even right now, and I will never understand it again until the public is again openly voicing anger at insurance companies because it's cool again. So... 5-10 years, barring a severe market downturn... I apologize, it's my window for the comedy bit about insurance I practiced last time... because both parties take their legal bribes... without which there would be no window for a comedy routine because things would happen. Hey, remember when that fucker centrist conservative Democrat Max Baucus FUCKED US ALL by taking insurance money to be the holdout vote on Obamacare, then went backstage with the insurance execs and wrote in that their service was mandatory and had no competition? Remember that Democrats? I sure do, and that's why this isn't a comedy routine, and I'm never going to vote for a shitlord convervative Democrat ever again. Ever. I have spent the past 20 years hearing horseshit spew from these people's fucking mouths, and no I'm not going to be nice about it. Kiss my rural, pasty white left of center ass you fucking corrupt ass moneygrubbing incompetence lording and deceitful thieves of the future. Take your D and shove it up, you wrinkley shitheads and asslicking train of makeup and buttcover artists. I have never seen such a greater mess of self-righteous yet ignoble humanity than the centrist leadership of the Democratic party, and I absolutely, positively cannot continue pretending or otherwise supporting it. Such a disaster I would never have predicted, yet there they are. Fuck em the centrists, and if you are smart, you will fuck em too, GenZ and young people in general. You will get the same or better results, this I can promise, because the centrists or conservative or moderate or blue dog or whatever shitty moniker they go by are corrupt as shit even when they adopt your own title like progressive. I'm not even going to try to point you in a better direction; I'd suggest making your own thing but who wants to listen, right? All I'm going to do is point you away from that stanking fucking mess before it wastes decades of your time lying to you, for pretty much fuckall on your important issues, and then throws it away because it doesn't like you because TV said so?  Or because a visibly corrupt and incompetent security apparatus doesn't like you? Turns out they didn't like the centrists either... but that's beyond the point. The point is, unless the Democratic party significantly changes, it's fucked and the part that needs to change is actively stabbing the rest of it in the gut because of the whole myriad of outside the party interests and it's stated objectives thing they've had going on. It's time to bail out and do our own thing.

I will advise from here, my throne, upon such things as esoteric foreign policy that no one else wants to read. Perhaps I shall be wrong when this happens, and this should be considered. It's also why it would be cool if we don't completely turn knowledgeable people like our good pal Shonus here against us with our insufferable arrogance, and only yell for really good reason and with much thought but to never stop yelling about issues of corruption because this is in both interests. However I do think this is a better route than being forced into a position like the last four years. The first two years went swell and then the air changed and these fucking centrists blew it. I don't know what else to say other than they blew it, and it was because they feared us. I really think we all should show them why, but in a, you know, positive and generally uplifting manner yet one to be taken seriously because it does serious things well. This is because I want to be able to stop yelling at old people about politics through the internet by the time I am among the old people.

I would ask the most honororable GenZ to at least partly accompany we millennials and the part of GenX that approves of skateboards in politically defeating our graspy elders out of necessity rather than choice. I can't promise more than a sub-legion of millennials after all and that has never proven to be enough, even when the ancient heroes known as 'Hippies' more commonly walked the lands. Our GenX allies are amongst the wisest of us, but care must be taken lest we select the GenX who were left behind in the Business School or the tower of the Actually Very Conservative District Attorney Office when the Tony Hawk spirit led our true friends away. Even most of these Hawkless are quite excellent, yet we must remember the primary purpose of business school: to teach the political stance that may best be termed "drunken". This is funny because it is also known as a place for proclivities in drink, but it is less funny when it's philosophy becomes belligerence turned upon you after staggering across the center line once again.

In short, Bernie sounds pissed and so am I. On top that, either the media is generating a fury because they are shitlords or AOC was snubbed for the oversight committee. I don't know which, which suggests the former, but really, in all honesty in the political sense it doesn't matter because the perception is there. Can someone who hasn't been made into a pariah in their communities yet put together some protests against both parties? That's what I'd like to see from my rural ass location because that's far as fuck to drive. I promise I might rub my hands together in a plotting motion and murmur "Good... goood.." even if I can't attend. Perhaps I will press my fingertips together... and wait for a car to go by outside so my glasses have a sweet sheen move over them from the passing headlight... that's how I will do my best plotting and scheming... this I think is correct after the movement we have seen.
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« Reply #54256 on: December 17, 2024, 05:10:36 am »

EDIT#: Egads the GIJoe one IS spelled COBRA.
Baron Ironblood's betrayal of his own Red Shadows was a jump-the-shark moment, as far as I was concerned...</obscure British reference>
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« Reply #54257 on: December 17, 2024, 05:23:50 am »

Nah, it's shaking out that way whether I like it or not. These people are not governing well in positions held by centrists, and I'd rather have no party than to be with them. That's not how I feel of most of the actual voterbases who generally and usually rightfully don't give a shit about the factions of the Democratic party unless someone is yelling curses at it, but if they are captured by bad leadership I'm simply not going to support it. I actually have spent a lot of time paying attention to politics, and I disagree significantly with the party on more and more issues. Sadly, I don't feel that I have a place in the Democratic party. They are running intelligence community candidates for senate in my state in both parties. It's almost as if an evil presence has noted your protests and materialized the exact opposite of what you want in order to spite you in ways that others will feel is immaterial. I'm not going to support a party that makes me feel like that. It wasn't even more than half a decade ago when the party was marching against that kind of authoritarian social control. You want to know where I learned those words? In reports about the fucking crackdowns in Iran only to read that these fucking dipshits are implementing (some of) the same shit here. I guess the most eminent leadership had forgotten in that span. In addition, do you know what happened days after I posited some independent thinking and breaking from the centrist's grasp?

Why look what happened
https://apnews.com/article/duggan-detroit-michigan-governor-independent-democrat-5dba0e7b2d9304c2a00d716c9cd6ca05
Detroit Mayor Duggan, a longtime Democrat, will run for Michigan governor in 2026 as independent

Now this Mayor Adams' Family security faction Democrat is going to split the vote. You see, I qualified not voting as not voting for the corrupt ass centrists in the Democratic party. So weirdly enough there they go, off to split the vote like the dirty bastages they are. Surely an odd coincidence though that doesn't matter, because at this point I think the cure I like most is political fire for this political charnal house.
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« Reply #54258 on: Today at 01:36:42 am »

https://www.techdirt.com/2024/12/16/un-cybercrime-treaty-a-trojan-horse-for-transnational-repression/

 UN Cybercrime Treaty: A Trojan Horse For Transnational Repression

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Mon, Dec 16th 2024 09:33am - David Kaye

David Kaye is a law professor at UC Irvine School of Law, former independent chair of the
Global Network Initiative, and UN Special Rapporteur on freedom of opinion and expression
from 2014 – 2020

This week, the United Nations General Assembly is set to adopt the UN Cybercrime Convention, almost exactly five years after it approved a resolution to launch its negotiation. The Convention text has been widely panned by digital security experts, human rights organizations, industry, even the UN’s own human rights office, among many others. Yet still it moves forward, propelled by prosecutors and justice ministries the world over and the treaty’s own internal processes, creating a vehicle for the further negotiation of tools for transnational repression.
History: an authoritarian power-play

The negotiations originated as an authoritarian power-play. In a letter to the UN Secretary General back in 2017, the Russian delegation to the UN proposed a treaty draft, one superficially hitting all the high notes of UN principles but substantively aiming to give states broad power to seek user data across borders in the context of ill-defined and often deeply repressive criminal offenses.

Its agenda was made all the clearer in the list of co-sponsors of the 2019 resolution, a who’s-who of authoritarians: Algeria, Angola, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bolivia, Burundi, Cambodia, China, Cuba, North Korea, Egypt, Eritrea, Iran, Kazakhstan, Laos, Libya, Madagascar, Myanmar, Nicaragua, Russian Federation, Sudan, Suriname, Syria, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, and Zimbabwe. These are states that are unlikely to share data of criminal activity by their own nationals, or those within their countries, but they sure are eager to obtain data that may be held by companies headquartered in democracies, particularly if that data belongs to dissidents and others they deem to be criminals.

An international cybercrime treaty would give their data demands the veneer of international authorization.

At that original stage back in 2019, the United States and the member states of the European Union, among others, saw through the dictators’ agenda and opposed the launch of a negotiation. For these states, a new cybercrime treaty driven by authoritarians was not only a threat to individual rights and data protection; it just made no sense politically or institutionally.

Seventy-six states are parties to the Budapest Convention on Cybercrime, a treaty that already provides a framework for transnational cooperation to address cybercrime. Any government anywhere, so long as it ensures that its domestic law provides the necessary protections for transnational data-sharing, can join Budapest. While, like every treaty, it has certain weaknesses and loopholes, Budapest has become the global standard, with strong support from the United States and others.

So why bother with a new treaty backed by authoritarians who simply would never commit to Budapest’s rules and oversight?
The big mistake: believing working within the system could limit the authoritarian power play

That, at least, was the leading argument for resisting negotiation of a new treaty. It made perfect sense then and it continues to make perfect sense now. But democratic states, after opposing the launch of the negotiation process in 2019, later made a strategic error.

They concluded that they should be a part of the negotiation in order to ensure that it would not establish new norms of data-sharing that could harm their interests. Inside the negotiation, they thought, they could prevent the worst of what the authoritarians would propose while perhaps getting better law enforcement cooperation on things that matter to them, such as prosecuting child endangerment and ransomware.

One can understand that original attitude, particularly if we see the negotiators as the giant squid working in the sushi bar in a New Yorker cartoon (“He feels he can do more good working within the system”). Democratic states engaged in a years-long negotiation and succeeded, from a defensive perspective, in removing problematic “crimes” from the treaty and providing at least a basis for guardrails against abuse. But it remains a deeply flawed treaty, in its drafting language and its substance, and it remains shocking to many observers that democratic states would support it.

Over three years of negotiations brought states from all over the world to hash out the treaty text within something called the Ad Hoc Committee. The negotiation stretched from 2021 to the summer of 2024, with states meeting over a dozen times in Vienna and New York. Democratic states fought for the best treaty they thought they could get, and a core cohort of human rights experts from civil society and UN institutions fought for serious protections against a treaty that would enable bad actors to use the treaty as a way to intimidate human rights defenders and journalists, among others.

The original sponsors, especially the Russian negotiators, resisted what they claimed to see as the watering down of significant new authorities and international crimes. Because this left the various key players often at loggerheads, the negotiation seemed on life-support as recently as early this year, only to revive, such that the Ad Hoc Committee adopted a final text unanimously in early August.

The treaty contains a preamble and nine chapters totaling sixty-eight articles, a dense international agreement that provides considerable room for abuse, not to mention debate over interpretation of key terms.

The first article lays out its purposes to “prevent and combat cybercrime more efficiently and effectively,” to “strengthen international cooperation” to address cybercrime (perhaps the key purpose from the sponsors’ perspective), and to build prevention capacity especially among developing countries.

Article 3 provides that the treaty will apply to “prevention, investigation and prosecution of the criminal offenses established in accordance with this Convention, including the freezing, seizure, confiscation and return of the proceeds from such offences” and to the “collecting, obtaining, preserving and sharing of evidence” for criminal investigations and proceedings.

This is a lot of words when the key obligation, evidence-sharing, is buried at the end.
The U.S. decides to embrace the treaty

U.S. negotiators cheered the treaty’s conclusion. In the U.S. Government’s explanation of its support for adoption of the treaty, its diplomats argued that it “reflects an historic achievement in the effort to combat the nonconsensual distribution of intimate images,” particularly on the ability to protect women and girls and to counter child sexual abuse material (CSAM). They added that the treaty will improve how the world prevents and punishes “ransomware, widespread cyber-enabled fraud, and illegal intrusions into computers and networks.”

They do not offer much more of substance than these areas of protection, apart from generic references to combating “pervasive and evolving cybercrime threats.” They recognize concerns about abuse of the treaty and, in a break from the traditional U.S. government approach of resisting vague treaty language in the principal instrument, seek to acknowledge the vagueness and danger inherent in the treaty.

Indeed, the U.S. explanation emphasizes, “we are joining consensus with the goal of moving the process forward and with the intent of advancing further clarifications and interpretive guidance to address stakeholder concerns.” This reason to join a treaty process – to fix it? – is naive on its face, particularly given the possibility that the second Trump administration could lean more toward the Russian than the American positions.

For argument’s purposes, let’s assume that the United States and other democratic supporters are correct that the treaty offers particular benefits. There is no doubt that some parts of civil society that focus particularly on crimes against children support it. It’s possible to acknowledge gains on that score and yet still ask, is that enough to embrace it?

Given the treaty’s purpose to facilitate the prevention and prosecution of crime, does it provide adequate safeguards – as all criminal systems must – to protect individual rights to privacy, to freedom of expression, to protest and dissent, to fair trial processes? Does it provide protection against an interpretation that enables a broad claim for what kinds of crimes fall under the treaty? I posed these questions to the European Commission’s Directorate-General for Migration and Home Affairs, which responded as follows.

    … the Commission certainly disagrees with your assessment that this Convention would be a ‘gift’ to its original sponsors. On the contrary, the text could not be farther from the draft text initially proposed by Russia. The recently agreed draft text of the Convention draws inspiration from the Council of Europe Budapest Convention on cybercrime, and from previous UN criminal conventions such as the UN Convention against Transnational Organized Crime (UNTOC) and the UN Convention Against Corruption (UNCAC). This ensures that the new UN Convention is fully consistent with the existing and well-established framework on the fight against cybercrime.

    Furthermore, The UN cybercrime convention will set a new and unprecedented benchmark of conditions and safeguards for any future UN criminal law instruments in terms of ensuring respect for fundamental rights. There are several safeguards and grounds for refusal in the text that for example, exclude the possibility of using the future convention in any manner that would lead to the suppression of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the freedom of expression, contrary to international human rights law or allow to refuse requests for international cooperation altogether.

    The amendments tabled by Iran and supported by a number of authoritarian countries in the world as well as the harsh statement made by the Russian delegation at the end of the session also demonstrate that Russia and its allies are very dissatisfied with the final draft of the Convention

The full response can be found here and is also embedded below.
The Cybercrime Treaty is still a disaster for human rights

Notwithstanding the Commission’s fervent defense, very serious and experienced analysts and advocates disagree. Katitza Rodriguez, EFF’s policy director for global privacy and one of civil society’s indefatigable soldiers in the battle against the treaty, has written in article-by-article fashion about the treaty’s pervasive risks to human rights. Nick Ashton-Hart, another key player in the fight against the treaty, summarized it as “a data access treaty allowing governments worldwide to exchange citizens’ personal information in perpetual secrecy on any offense any two governments agree is a ‘serious’ crime.”

A former Justice Department official, now in private practice, has written with a colleague that the treaty “would weaken the United States’s ability to resist requests from authoritarian governments . . . [and] the United States’s ability to dissuade foreign states from assisting in improper, suppressive investigations launched from states such as Russia or Iran.”
Many ways the Cybercrime Treaty is open to abuse

Anyone with an interest should read these reviews of the treaty for their detailed assessment, and there are many others as well. Among the most fatal problems, at least from this author’s perspective, are the following:

First, the treaty obligates states to cooperate with one another for the purpose of, among other things, “collecting, obtaining, preserving and sharing of evidence in electronic form of any serious crime” (Article 35(1)(c)). They are to “afford one another the widest measure of mutual legal assistance” in the context of “serious crimes” and other Convention offenses (Article 40(1)).

Not only does this apply in normal criminal law processes, but the Convention also requires states to make available a point of contact “24 hours a day, 7 days a week” to provide “immediate assistance” to foreign law enforcement authorities in relation to Convention offenses and “serious crime.”

So what is “serious crime”? The Convention defines the term as “conduct constituting an offence punishable by a maximum deprivation of liberty of at least four years or a more serious penalty.”

That’s it.

It is a phrase that refers only to the extent of the penalty. It is not an uncommon phrase, but for the purposes of this treaty, it opens the door to assertions that any number of offenses should be the subject of data-sharing and enforcement cooperation to which states are obligated to adhere.

In Thailand, for instance, lese majeste penalties may be three to fifteen years imprisonment. Russia’s 2022 law prohibiting the defamation of the military comes with penalties of up to fifteen years imprisonment.

States around the world have similar sorts of repressive, anti-democratic laws, and the Convention provides them with a clear basis to demand cooperation in its enforcement.

Why? Because it’s evidently serious crime.

Second, and following up on that, it may be argued, as European and American negotiators do, that the Convention provides adequate safeguards so that they would never be required to share information in the context of serious crimes that have illegitimate purposes under human rights law.

Typically, they refer to Article 6, which provides, in full, the following:

    Article 6. Respect for human rights

    1. States Parties shall ensure that the implementation of their obligations under this Convention is consistent with their obligations under international human rights law.

    2. Nothing in this Convention shall be interpreted as permitting suppression of human rights or fundamental freedoms, including the rights related to the freedoms of expression, conscience, opinion, religion or belief, peaceful assembly and association, in accordance and in a manner consistent with applicable international human rights law.

Treaty advocates argue that Article 6 provides adequate protection against the use of the treaty for purposes such as enforcement of the Thai and Russian laws, both of which are plainly inconsistent with international human rights law’s guarantees of freedom of expression.

But the language of Article 6 is weak.

For one thing, the first paragraph is based on an assumption that all states agree as to the nature of their obligations. Thai authorities may agree that its lèse-majestélaw implicates the freedom of expression, but they may argue that it is justified as a protection of the rights or reputations of others, or of public security.

When I raised concerns with the Thai government about application of the law to a student in 2017, for instance, the government responded exactly on these grounds.

This is just one example, and one can imagine an array of situations where states will demand the sharing of data, arguing their demand is consistent with international human rights law. To be sure, governments are free to disagree and refuse to share data, but the weaker the state, or the more it wants to find grounds for cooperation with the demanding government, the less likely Article 6 will provide any serious protection.

Meanwhile, the second paragraph of Article 6 is bizarre. On the one hand, its very presence suggests that democratic states believed the treaty could be interpreted to enable suppression of fundamental rights. Why else would they require this paragraph? But it also does not make much sense, because no “suppression” of human rights is permissible under human rights law; that is simply not how the law operates.

The article adds nothing to existing obligations states have under human rights law. Is it good that the democratic states insisted on this provision? It doesn’t hurt. And in fact, Iran tabled a resolution to have it removed, underlining its perspective. But it nevertheless does not provide the kind of protection these states may think it provides, certainly not in the context of states less able than the United States to resist demands from economically powerful states like China or Saudi Arabia.
Where are the safeguards against abuse?

Related to the above, the treaty does not provide anywhere close to the kind of specific safeguards it promises and that supportive states claim for it. In addition to the weak and generic Article 6, Article 24 aims toward an assurance that states may only carry out their treaty authorities “subject to conditions and safeguards provided for under its domestic law, which shall provide for the protection of human rights, in accordance with its obligations under international human rights law, and which shall incorporate the principle of proportionality.”

This is ineffective, but most importantly, it seems to suggest that human rights law’s main focus restricting state power is proportionality. While proportionality is indeed a core human rights concept, restrictions on fundamental rights also require demonstrations of legality (the principle that law be precise enough to avoid vagueness and not confer undue discretion on the state), necessity (that is measure is designed to achieve its goal and is the least intrusive means to do so) and legitimacy (that the purpose is proper under human rights law). Proportionality is just one element of the test.

This loose statement might be fine in a law review essay, but it is dangerous in a treaty implicating individual rights and international law enforcement cooperation.
The authoritarians are still happy with the treaty

Third, the treaty is also a framework for further work. And this is where the original authoritarian sponsors are most excited. Article 62 of the Convention provides for the negotiation of “supplementary protocols” once there are sixty states parties (i.e., sixty ratifications, not mere signatures).

This is where the future action will be, and Russia has already indicated that it is planning for this possibility. In a statement at the UN on December 4th, its representative said:

    In August 2024, all UN Member States agreed on a draft Convention against Cybercrime, which, once approved by the General Assembly, will become the first international treaty in the field of international information security. We are convinced that this is the first step towards a universal international legal regulation of the use of ICTs.”

This goes far beyond any notion of criminal evidence-sharing, as problematic as that is. The Cybercrime Convention sets up an opportunity for Russia, China and others to press for continued negotiation to expand the scope of its coverage and seek international cover for the ‘regulation of the use of ICTs.’

Consider just three of the categories in Russia’s initial proposals for crimes to be covered under the Convention: creation and use of digital data to mislead the user; incitement to subversive or armed activities; extremism-related offenses. There are other proposals in its earlier interventions as well, but these three underscore the real nature of the authoritarian effort: to expand domestic repression into legitimate areas for global cooperation and pressure.

This was the main objective from the beginning: to provide a basis for states to enforce repressive laws in a digital context, wherever the underlying data may be held, or at the very least to provide a normative basis for them to seek to apply their laws across borders.
What now?

What’s next? The Cybercrime Convention, once adopted by the General Assembly, will be open for signature by states at a signing ceremony in early 2025, likely to be held in the well-known free speech nirvana, Vietnam. It requires forty states to ratify it before it will enter into force.

Having joined consensus and allowed this problematic treaty to move forward, democratic states need to rethink their positions. Key organizations in civil society will almost certainly urge the United States, Canada, EU states and other democracies not to ratify, and these states should pay them heed.

But the damage may already be done, a new instrument that lays the groundwork for an expansion of transnational repression, a normative foundation to undermine human rights law’s protection of freedom of expression, as Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights provides, “regardless of frontiers.”

With a new American administration whose leadership has long seemed sympathetic to the tropes of authoritarianism, a future of resistance and protection of digital rights cannot be guaranteed.
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