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[zhijinghaofromchina]

One was a guy whose drug dealer apparently would only give them heroin if they weren't self-harming, and took their razor blades off of them to stop them, then once they got clean refused to sell to them any more.

Thank you for your sharing, great order, this genius story really amazed me a lot and provided a new horizon towards this problem. Anyway, thanks a lot.

But the truth is that the heroin doesn’t comes from a single drug dealer, the guy will also fetch some other addictive drugs in some other resources. The drug dealer is drug dealer, the definition won’t change due to the way the dealer selling drugs…What if the addiction towards heroin was coming from this elegant dealer?

I know that in some states of America, medical marijuana is allowed to be used in a controlled manner managed by the government with a tight assessment provided by some standard medical association (maybe?) In this case, the government is the drug dealer, and, as I’ve said the whole process is in an elegant and orderly manner. But after watching the tv shows ’breaking bad’, maybe in some ways the Americans and we Chinese are thinking in a familiar way, marijuana is the start of the drug abuse, though publicly the harm towards people is suspiciously controllable, but  what about privately?

I take pride in the drug control achievements achieved by my government. But there’s still a lot way to go. Maybe we put out emphasis on the harm brought by the drug addict towards the guy self the guy’s family and more importantly, the family, but the Americans do enjoy the Pandora effect and pay more attention towards themselves independently. I do hope we can talk about it deeper and I welcome your criticism!

[hector13]

Drugs are bad mmmm’kay?

[Pwnzerfaust]

I take pride in the drug control achievements achieved by my government.

Like the CCP's complicity in smuggling fentanyl precursors to Mexico and the US, among others, worsening the opioid crisis in the US and around the world? Those achievements?

[hector13]

Ignore them, zhijinghao, this person comes on the forum every so often to troll.

It’s quite sad really.

Edit ‘cause I apparently can’t read names properly, sorry.

[Pwnzerfaust]

How am I trolling? This is a matter of public record.

Earlier this spring, the Select Committee uncovered new evidence showing how the Chinese Communist Party directly fuels America’s fentanyl crisis. China has programs in place to reward companies with subsidies for exporting fentanyl and other drugs illegal under Chinese law to the United States. It is now abundantly clear that the CCP is not just turning a blind eye to the fentanyl crisis, it is causing it.

Seems like you just can't deal with the fact you're wrong, repeatedly, in the last few posts alone, so you resort to calling me a troll.

It's quite sad really.

[hector13]

Because you’re not looking to actually do anything constructive, which is why you prefer arguing over the meaning of the word clemency than actually saying anything of substance about why Biden commuting the sentence of 1 person out of more than 1,500 is a Bad Thing^tm.

Like I say, sad.

[Pwnzerfaust]

Because you’re not looking to actually do anything constructive, which is why you prefer arguing over the meaning of the word clemency than actually saying anything of substance about why Biden commuting the sentence of 1 person out of more than 1,500 is a Bad Thing^tm.

That's just one of many. There's also the ones that embezzled a hundred million dollars, ponzi schemers, child porn slingers... It's an impressive list, really.

Oh, can't forget the Kids for Cash judge!

[Lord Shonus]

I know that in some states of America, medical marijuana is allowed to be used in a controlled manner managed by the government with a tight assessment provided by some standard medical association (maybe?) In this case, the government is the drug dealer, and, as I’ve said the whole process is in an elegant and orderly manner. But after watching the tv shows ’breaking bad’, maybe in some ways the Americans and we Chinese are thinking in a familiar way, marijuana is the start of the drug abuse, though publicly the harm towards people is suspiciously controllable, but  what about privately?

In an increasing number of US states, marijuana for recreational use is straight-up legalized, with the Federal government formally taking a hands-off approach as long as it doesn't cross a state line.


The "marijuana is a gateway drug" concept is now so widely ridiculed that it is used as a stock "this guy is an idiot" joke. Largely because the handful of studies supporting it were fundamentally flawed - it focused on hard drug users and found that most used marijuana first, which only tells you that people inclined to use drugs for whatever reason started with a mild one. They did not try studying marijuana users and seeing how many went on to harder ones, nor did they factor in that a weed dealer was often also a dealer in harder drugs so it became easier to get the hard stuff once you made that first connection.

[hector13]

Because you’re not looking to actually do anything constructive, which is why you prefer arguing over the meaning of the word clemency than actually saying anything of substance about why Biden commuting the sentence of 1 person out of more than 1,500 is a Bad Thing^tm.

That's just one of many. There's also the ones that embezzled a billion dollars, ponzi schemers, child porn slingers... It's an impressive list, really.

It’s almost like you have to be a criminal or something to be granted clemency.

You chose a criminal gang’s treasurer to highlight instead of embezzlers, conmen, and pedophiles, and only brought the latter up when it was pointed out you’re not actually doing anything with it beyond your usual baiting.

I mean you’re not even making an effort here, my guy. No emotive language, no flaming. I’m barely being distracted from a toddler throwing things against the wall, man.

[Pwnzerfaust]

I'm sorry that you can't conceive of someone doing something other than 'baiting' if they disagree with you. Someday your mind will be less closed.

The "marijuana is a gateway drug" concept is now so widely ridiculed that it is used as a stock "this guy is an idiot" joke.

Yeah, it's absurd. Funny thing - California legalized marijuana a few years ago, and even though there are now dispensaries everywhere, and marijuana use has slightly increased, there's no evidence it's led to an increased use of harder drugs.

[hector13]

The only disagreement we had was over the word “clemency”.

If that signals to you a closed mind, I hope you have insulated yourself from the likes of Reddit and Twitter

[Pwnzerfaust]

The only disagreement we had was over the word “clemency”.

If that signals to you a closed mind, I hope you have insulated yourself from the likes of Reddit and Twitter

Considering the wording on the website itself, and your refusal to acknowledge it and admit you're mistaken, I think it's likely you're the one trolling, friendo.

[hector13]

The only disagreement we had was over the word “clemency”.

If that signals to you a closed mind, I hope you have insulated yourself from the likes of Reddit and Twitter

Considering the wording on the website itself, and your refusal to acknowledge it and admit you're mistaken, I think it's likely you're the one trolling, friendo.

There we go, back to the hair-splitting over semantics than actually discussing the website in question.

I had hopes you wanted to engage constructively after your response to Shonus, alas…

I have given you plenty of opportunity to actually engage with the list that you brought to the thread - I consider it to be completely irrelevant political theatre, perhaps you’d be able to convince me otherwise - and every time you have decided not to, so if you want to try to paint this as me trolling you and not vice-versa, you’ll have to try a lot harder.

[Folly]

Insofar as a 'Drug' is a substance which has a psychological effect when ingested, pretty much anything we put into our bodies could technically be classified a 'Drug'.

Studies have shown that many of the substances which our governments classify as illegal are in fact not significantly habit-forming or otherwise harmful, while many legal substances which we shovel into our mouths every day can be extremely harmful. Much of the stigma around 'Drugs are Bad' is simply propaganda, created by the corporations so that they can get rich by edging out competition, or created by governments so they can appear useful by battling a fabricated Bad-Guy.

[Grim Portent]

IIRC the anti-marijuana stuff is a bit older, and comes from the same minds as Prohibition (the USA had an alcohol ban in the 1920s and early 1930s for those unaware, it went badly and basically empowered the mafia.) There's definitely some anti-marijuana propoganda from the years after Prohibition was repealed, and a lot of it came from the Christian Temperance movement.

The infamous and hilariously bad Reefer Madness is from 1936 for example, and was initially financially backed by churches.

Corporations and government are relative newcomers to the anti-drug scene, co-opting an established sphere of Christian moral outrage for their own purposes.