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[Robot Parade Leader]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/dinesh-dsouza-apologizes-false-claims-150554547.html

So it was all a lie? Just like how 2024 was "rigged" until a certain party won.
Whatever, If democrats did that, it'd be huge. "Both sides?" I don't get it.

[McTraveller]

Eh, these aren't just "lies" but fall into the category of "damned lies." These people don't even care about truth but rather just care about their narrative and will say (and do) anything to have their way.

[Folly]

I mean...the above article does say that he publicly apologized and admitted he was wrong without any duress. At worst, it sounds like he was misled by some bad information and then recklessly lept to conclusions and propagated those conclusions without bothering to verify them first.

[McTraveller]

I mean...the above article does say that he publicly apologized and admitted he was wrong without any duress. At worst, it sounds like he was misled by some bad information and then recklessly lept to conclusions and propagated those conclusions without bothering to verify them first.

That's exactly what makes it a "damned lie."

[Robot Parade Leader]

Elon Musk must be completely brilliant or who knows if he's pulling off the stuff he's pulling off.

I am not a federal worker, or remote, or anything but I don't hate people who are making a living. Hell, I like the idea of a few million less cars on the road polluting, wearing down roads/cars, and causing traffic accidents. Less of the rest of you driving to work means I don't have to put up with as many cars on the road during rush hour.

Musk has people ready to fire like well over a million federal workers (many of them are veterans), force the remainder to drive in, and monitor every keystroke a government employee makes. Um, didn't they not do that that  because it includes every piece of private and healthcare information including your social security number, medical records, tax information and literally everything about you? They already monitor it pretty heavily anyhow, but can't do it THAT close for privacy/security. What do I know? 

Slash social security which used to be unthinkable.
https://econotimes.com/Elon-Musks-2-Trillion-Slash-Plan-Stuns-Washington-Say-Goodbye-to-Social-Security-1696070

I wonder if he has some kind of plan for what the hell we do with a million + people for jobs and especially the disabled ones who have to work remote but might not be able to. I am probably missing something. The carmaker wants people to commute in cars. The AI maker wants to literally track every keystroke of every government computer. The spaceX guy wants to fire tons of government employees including NASA. He wants everyone to be even more productive so he gets more money and control for himself?

He has a massive amount of tech and power and is influencing world events including military.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-ukraine-russia-war-starlink-satellite-denied-major-act-of-war/

Is Elon Musk just going to become the government basically? Plus he's getting even more power all the time. Holy shit I don't know what to think of that. Is that anything like democracy?

Sure, he was never elected and can't be because he's from South Africa but if he controls key things, then Jesus Christ, who could actually stop him? He's already criticized any government aid/loans to electric car makers besides Tesla as unfair and "Anti Tesla."
He used to be considered liberal and now he's just gone "Dark MAGA" for Trump. So who knows.
What's to keep him from doing basically whatever the hell he wants whether he cares about everyone or not.
God, can he just rewrite all the rules in only his favor? Dude famously wants to bug out on earth and go to Mars ("Occupy Mars").

I don't know if you should be worried about all this lack of privacy? How far back is Trump's "family" comment going to go: parents, grandparents? Nobody is saying.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-aims-end-birthright-citizenship-says-american-citizens-family-il-rcna183274

So if you were born in America you're an American citizen. It's the 14th amendment.

Asked by Welker, “Who are the others?” Trump responded, “Others are other people outside of criminals.”

Trump also described scenarios in which U.S. citizens may choose to be deported along with family members in the country illegally.

“Let me ask you about another group of people, the estimated 4 million families in America who have mixed immigration status. So I’m talking about parents who might be here illegally,” Welker said, “but the kids are here legally.”

“I don’t want to be breaking up families,” Trump said. “So the only way you don’t break up the family is you keep them together and you have to send them all back.”

“We don’t have to separate families,” Trump said. “We’ll send the whole family very humanely, back to the country where they came.”

“It depends on the family,” Trump said, adding later: “If they come here illegally but their family is here legally, then the family has a choice. The person that came in illegally can go out, or they can all go out together.”

Well at least for now he's saying some people may "have a choice" but who knows. If he gets rid of "birthright" citizenship (the 14th amendment) then where does it end? So does that mean if your grandparents immigrated does that mean you have issues? If you're 3rd generation or even 4th? How do you prove what your grandparent's status is/was?

I don't know how they are going to determine any of this and I'm not sure who does know.  I actually don't think it matters to me individually but it just sounds messy?

I think even the most conservative person is (or at least used to be) worried about the government just having every bit of info.
Who knows what else anybody might be screwed over on if ... who knows who ... decides to use whatever information against you.

Also, January 6th Pardons are coming "1st day."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-will-likely-pardon-capitol-rioters-day-1-says-jan-6-committee-me-rcna183275?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

Trump didn’t rule out pardoning individuals who had pleaded guilty, including when Welker asked him about those who had admitted to assaulting police officers.

“Because they had no choice,” Trump said.

Wow. I guess I didn't know that assaulting a police officer could be a thing somebody didn't have a choice in. OK, I'm not a lawyer, what do I know.

I wonder if we're at the point  or close to it where even if you're a Republican, you either say MAGA or you're ... not gonna have a good time?

[Starver]

Plenty of analyses so far that say that two trilion of cuts doesn't just bite upon the odd bit of (for some) 'unnecessary' discretionary payments.

One source has the following current spend:
$1.46 Trillion - Social Security (mandtory)
$0.92 Trillion - Health (not sure what this covers, beyond other sections)
$0.88 Trillion - Debt repayments (pay, or go into international default!)
$0.87 Trillion - Defence (discretionary)
$0.87 Trillion - Medicare (mandatory)
$0.67 Trillion - Income Security (not sure)
$0.33 Trillion - Veterans (yeah, good luck even thinking of reducing that, even if it helped)
$0.31 Trillion - Education (discretionary)
$0.31 Trillion - Other (including NASA, I think, which was somewhere around $0.02 Trillion per year)
$0.14 Trillion - Trnsportation (discretionry)

How you'd scrape two thousand billion from that little list, nobody (with any credability) seems to know.

What it'll probably be is something tricksy whereby there's $2Tr cuts but effectvely at least $1.5Tr of 'new' stuff. Or over the full four (or more!) years of the 'new plan'.

[martinuzz]

4th of July 2027: Elon Musk uses his privately owned orbital nuclear missile launchers to nuke Canada, Belgium (again) and the city of Detroit for not meeting the paid subscriptions quota for X. Really sad, Belgium was just 2 subscriptions away from meeting demands, it's other two remaining inhabitants had already subscribed.

[Starver]

(...nvm...)

[None]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/dinesh-dsouza-apologizes-false-claims-150554547.html

So it was all a lie? Just like how 2024 was "rigged" until a certain party won.
Whatever, If democrats did that, it'd be huge. "Both sides?" I don't get it.

dinesh dsouza? the guy that claimed that racism was a uniquely Western issue?

goddamn clowns might not even know they're doing a nazi party with how little they know about history or talk to other people

[martinuzz]

More than 75 Nobel Prize winners have sent a letter to the Senate, a copy of which was obtained by the New York Times, asking the Senate to block the appointment of RFK, because he would put the public's health in jeopardy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/health/kennedy-hhs-nobel-laureates.html

[Robot Parade Leader]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-warns-republicans-against-050158961.html

“Elon and Vivek talked about having a naughty list and a nice list for members of Congress and senators and how we vote and how we’re spending the American people's money," said Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga.

Trump's second term comes with the specter of the world's richest man serving as his political enforcer. Within Trump’s team, there is a feeling that Musk not only supports Trump’s agenda and Cabinet appointments, but is intent on seeing them through to the point of pressuring Republicans who may be less devout.

One Trump adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss internal political dynamics, noted Musk had come to enjoy his role on the campaign and that he clearly had the resources to stay involved.

The adviser and others noted that Musk's role is still taking shape. And Musk, once a supporter of President Barack Obama before moving to the right in recent years, is famously mercurial.


...........

“Instead of using his influence to twist GOP arms when you have majorities in both houses, he could start going after Democrats who vote against Trump's agenda in states where the election was a referendum for Trump,” said Pack, former communications director for the National Republican Senatorial Committee. “Otherwise, if you pressure Republicans with a primary, you can end up with a Republican who can't win, and then a Democrat in that seat.”


So, they said mercurial and he used to support Obama, and now he's all for enforcing Trump, but mercurial means we don't know what he's going to do? I think that's what it means and they wrote it not me.

Does this mean any politician who doesn't do whatever Musk wants will basically have the world's richest man funding someone to take their job? Meanwhile the democrats are sitting their arguing about who did what wrong and different smaller issues while Musk basically is the "enforcer" (that's what the article called him) to make everyone all see the same way....  Are they saying he's basically stacking the deck? No idea what to think.

[anewaname]

Musk seems to be keeping one foot in the center, even though his other foot is currently playing footsy with those in the far right. A compilation like project 2025 is going to be full of compromises and ideals, and everyone involved knows they might not get everything they want; so Musk is putting himself in a good position to ensure he gets what he wants. Sure, he'd pressure politicians if it helps him get what he wants, and he'll pressure their primary donors too.

[Folly]

Meanwhile the democrats are sitting their arguing about who did what wrong and different smaller issues while Musk basically is the "enforcer" (that's what the article called him) to make everyone all see the same way....

What exactly would you have Democrats do? For at least the next two years, Democrats have absolutely no power in any Branch of the Federal Government. About the only thing they can do is plan for the day when they regain at least one of the Branches, and pray that there is still a Country left to govern when that day comes.

[hector13]

I don’t think the response to losing should be navel-gazing or throwing their toys out of the pram until 2026.

They’re the opposition, they can - and should! - oppose whatever nonsense Trump comes up with. He’s already shown he as lying about his plan to lower prices (he can’t “guarantee tomorrow”) so they should be pointing things like that out.

[Folly]

To what end exactly? Of course the Democrats in Congress will vote the line, for what little good it will do. But what purpose could there be in pointing out Trump's lies at this point? Outside of Campaign Season, people's opinions of their Political Leaders don't really matter.