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[Maximum Spin]

My first thought is that doesn't sound easy. I'm not saying right or wrong, but probably not easy.

Hmm, well, I mean easy ORGANIZATIONALLY. Like, it's a simple concept to do. It would still take a lot of WORK.

[Frumple]

I'm only half joking, because I don't know how. I don't think many of us are going to be able to afford a house and rent is insanely high. Now I'm hearing inflation is going to go higher, which means housing prices are going to go higher. The average house is already over $400,000 in the US. They don't want to give us remote work so we can't live in cheaper places.
Plus if you need to move for work it's a giant pain.

It's not just inflation and prices spiking, the incoming administration's been running on gutting the labor market for construction (and agriculture, and a pile of other things) on top of it all. All the supply issues involved are going to go from "very bad" to "looks like a cliff face" if something doesn't manage to stop that.

Housing's pretty likely to get much, much worse in a very rapid timeframe.

[wobbly]

Jesus, at this point, how do we make something like a guild that's non profit, owns housing and helps people get jobs.
I don't know, because I don't think it's been done that I know of, but something along the lines of:

You pay a set fee every month and that gets you a room in one of the Guild's houses to live in and use of common rooms in any city they exist in.
You either pay another fee for food every month or buy cheap mass cooked meals.
They help you find jobs (So you can pay the fee).

I'm only half joking, because I don't know how. I don't think many of us are going to be able to afford a house and rent is insanely high. Now I'm hearing inflation is going to go higher, which means housing prices are going to go higher. The average house is already over $400,000 in the US. They don't want to give us remote work so we can't live in cheaper places.
Plus if you need to move for work it's a giant pain.

I'm trying to not make a joke out of this, but this sounds like .... communisim?

[Robot Parade Leader]

That's if a government does it.

I don't know. I'm upset most people aren't going to own a home and threw something out there.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/after-trumps-reelection-conservatives-promote-project-2025-190104597.html

That didn't take long at all -

Conservative activist Matt Walsh posted on X, “Now that the election is over I think we can finally say that yeah actually Project 2025 is the agenda. Lol.” Reacting to Walsh’s post, Steve Bannon, Trump’s former White House chief strategist, said on his podcast War Room Wednesday that “Project 2025 is the agenda.”

Texas’s Tarrant County GOP chair Bo French also posted on X, writing, “So can we admit now that we are going to implement Project 2025?” Conservative YouTuber Benny Johnson chimed in with, “It is my honor to inform you all that Project 2025 was real the whole time.”

The Trump campaign has not commented on Project 2025 as of Thursday afternoon


Wow so  agenda you can't even admit to before it's too late to stop it.

What is Project 2025?

"Some of its specific directives include:

    An overhaul of the Department of Justice and FBI, the former of which it labels “a bloated bureaucracy” with employees “who are infatuated with the perpetuation of a radical liberal agenda.”

    Implement Schedule F, a Trump-era executive order that the Biden administration repealed that would allow the reclassification — and potential replacement — of thousands of government workers.

    Eliminate the Department of Education.

    Shut down the EPA’s Office of Environmental Justice and External Civil Rights.

    Impose wide restrictions on abortion access, including reversing federal approval of the abortion pill mifepristone.

    Allocate funding for “construction of additional border wall systems.”

    Ban pornography and imprison anyone who produces or distributes it.

    Promote “Sabbath Rest” by encouraging Congress to amend the Fair Labor Standards Act to require people who work these days to be paid time and a half.

    Have the federal government promote “biblically based, social science reinforced” heterosexual marriages.

    Call on the new Health and Human Services secretary to “reverse the Biden Administration’s focus on ‘LGBTQ+ equity’” and “subsidizing single-motherhood.”

    Remove sexual orientation, gender identity, diversity, equity, inclusion and gender equality from any federal rule, regulation or legislation.

    Revive Trump’s plan to open most of the National Petroleum Reserve of Alaska to leasing and development."

....


So, basically wow.

[Lord Shonus]

Harris could have won handily if she made a few concessions to the left wing. Not all, not most. Even one or two somewhat daring reforms would have probably helped secure otherwise non-voters and might even have swung over a few centrists. But what do you expect from the party whose totem animal is a donkey.

Every step "left" would have added ten percent to Trump's totals. Most American leftists are in the demographics that Harris already did well in. The groups that turned out for Trump hate and despise the left with the passion of a thousand suns.

[Maximum Spin]

That's if a government does it.

I don't know. I'm upset most people aren't going to own a home and threw something out there.

I think it's genuinely a good idea and I support doing the legwork to try to make it happen.

Wow so  agenda you can't even admit to before it's too late to stop it.

We all knew it was the agenda to begin with, though, didn't we? Not only on the left, too, but even Trump-voting Boomers knew it was the agenda. It wasn't really hidden. This is what people voted for.

[Robot Parade Leader]

Trump repeatedly kept saying he knew nothing about it. Come on. He did. That's hiding it. They may not know what they voted for.
Also, I guess it's just Air BNB with a temp agency and more steps so. I don't know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz3I81dVpTQ

People don't know a lot about Trump and what he's really doing. John Oliver isn't bad but not exactly for work.

[McTraveller]

Trying to do that kind of housing co-op is probably doable if you have wealthy people that can fund it (EDIT: with no expectation of direct return on the investment). Otherwise it will just go bankrupt. Also there are annoying laws related to housing that is "priced below market rate" that treat the low cost as income¹ which can be taxed.  It's a lot more difficult than it would seem - I've looked into it before to some extent, trying to help out some people I know.

Also I'm gonna cry-laugh if the administration privatizes medicare.


¹ EDIT: that is, the difference between what they pay, and the "market rate", is treated as income. So if the going rate for a 1BR apartment is $750/month, and you offer housing at $250/month and it's not part of some government program with special rules, then that $500/month difference can be treated as taxable income (I think it has to exceed some threshold, but it's not that high a threshold).

[Robot Parade Leader]

If it requires money and doing it is taxable then nevermind. They aren't helping people if it's taxed. Probably lots of other things as reasons people haven't done it before too. As for privatizing Medicare. Yeah, they'll do that too.

Forget that other stuff, it doesn't seem like people care anymore, which is weird cause I learned Social Security and Medicare were the third rails of politics. You never touched them for the same reason you never touch the third rail. Now who the hell knows.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-theres-no-price-215019694.html

As a candidate, Trump had repeatedly vowed to carry out the "largest deportation effort in American history." Asked about the cost of his plan, he said, "It’s not a question of a price tag. It’s not — really, we have no choice. When people have killed and murdered, when drug lords have destroyed countries, and now they’re going to go back to those countries because they’re not staying here. There is no price tag."

Um, is this "Mexico will pay for the wall," all over again?

Ok, love or hate deporting a whole ton of people out of the U.S. .... Everybody has to realize there's a price tag, right? Then again, maybe not, because I think it's becoming a not good idea to assume people know things.

Those people aren't going to leave voluntarily or at a least a bunch of them won't. So that's gonna cost money to detain them.
Then you have to keep them fed while you detain them. More money.
Then actually moving them out of the country costs jet fuel or just gas maybe if you buss them all out somehow.

I don't get it. Everything Trump wants to do is "free" or someone else will pay for it, or "has no price tag." Anything else can be questioned to death about cost.

[Sirus]

Here's the thing: a disturbing number of Trump's most adamant supporters are bigoted sadists. There really isn't a nicer way to put that when said supporters include a variety of groups that are openly racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, homophobic, militant, or some combination of the above. The monetary cost is meaningless compared to the visceral joy they will feel at the opportunity to abuse and mistreat those more vulnerable than themselves. Plus, treating immigrants as vermin to be isolated and removed (if not actually exterminated) plays right into their bigotry and will make them feel vindicated.

As for the costs that cannot be directly measured in dollars, well, those can always be blamed on the next minority group in line.

[Maximum Spin]

Trump repeatedly kept saying he knew nothing about it. Come on. He did. That's hiding it. They may not know what they voted for.

Oh, did he? I never heard that. In any case, I don't think any of his voters didn't know about it, but the people who didn't come out to vote against him might not have.

[Robot Parade Leader]

As with most things it is incredibly well documented that he denied it including on video. He does 180s. No people didn't read 900 pages of whatever.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/us/politics/trump-project-2025.html

As Donald J. Trump was closing in on the 270 electoral votes that sealed his astounding political victory in the early hours of Wednesday, one of the first groups to salute him was the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank behind Project 2025, a policy playbook that Mr. Trump had feigned ignorance about during the campaign.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-debate-denies-involvement-project-2025/story?id=113569516

Trump denied involvement in Project 2025, saying he had "nothing to do with it" and that he has not read it.

In the debate, Trump said, “I have nothing to do as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025. That is out there. I have not read it. I don't want to read it, purposely. I'm not going to read it," he said.

He attributed Project 2025 to a "group of people that got together."

"They came up with some ideas, I guess, some good, some bad," he said. "But it makes no difference. I have nothing to do. Everybody knows I'm an open book."

[Maximum Spin]

Trump repeatedly kept saying he knew nothing about it. Come on. He did. That's hiding it. They may not know what they voted for.

As with most things it is incredibly well documented that he denied it including on video. He does 180s. No people didn't read 900 pages of whatever.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/us/politics/trump-project-2025.html

As Donald J. Trump was closing in on the 270 electoral votes that sealed his astounding political victory in the early hours of Wednesday, one of the first groups to salute him was the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank behind Project 2025, a policy playbook that Mr. Trump had feigned ignorance about during the campaign.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-debate-denies-involvement-project-2025/story?id=113569516

Trump denied involvement in Project 2025, saying he had "nothing to do with it" and that he has not read it.

In the debate, Trump said, “I have nothing to do as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025. That is out there. I have not read it. I don't want to read it, purposely. I'm not going to read it," he said.

He attributed Project 2025 to a "group of people that got together."

"They came up with some ideas, I guess, some good, some bad," he said. "But it makes no difference. I have nothing to do. Everybody knows I'm an open book."

That's not the same as saying he knew nothing about it. Certainly it's true that it wasn't HIS personal platform and he had nothing to do with drafting it.

[Robot Parade Leader]

Trump repeatedly kept saying he knew nothing about it. Come on. He did. That's hiding it. They may not know what they voted for.

As with most things it is incredibly well documented that he denied it including on video. He does 180s. No people didn't read 900 pages of whatever.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/us/politics/trump-project-2025.html

As Donald J. Trump was closing in on the 270 electoral votes that sealed his astounding political victory in the early hours of Wednesday, one of the first groups to salute him was the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank behind Project 2025, a policy playbook that Mr. Trump had feigned ignorance about during the campaign.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-debate-denies-involvement-project-2025/story?id=113569516

Trump denied involvement in Project 2025, saying he had "nothing to do with it" and that he has not read it.

In the debate, Trump said, “I have nothing to do as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025. That is out there. I have not read it. I don't want to read it, purposely. I'm not going to read it," he said.

He attributed Project 2025 to a "group of people that got together."

"They came up with some ideas, I guess, some good, some bad," he said. "But it makes no difference. I have nothing to do. Everybody knows I'm an open book."

That's not the same as saying he knew nothing about it. Certainly it's true that it wasn't HIS personal platform and he had nothing to do with drafting it.

.... What? Did you read the direct quotes from Trump?

In the debate, Trump said, “I have nothing to do as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025. That is out there. I have not read it. I don't want to read it, purposely. I'm not going to read it," he said.

He didn't read it and he was saying he had nothing to do with it, "“I have nothing to do as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025."

Did you read what he said? He repeatedly and regularly denied it. Multiple times. This is just one instance. He didn't say "nothing to do with drafting it, he said nothing to do with it. He didn't know what was in it, "purposefully."

[Maximum Spin]

.... What? Did you read the direct quotes from Trump?

In the debate, Trump said, “I have nothing to do as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025. That is out there. I have not read it. I don't want to read it, purposely. I'm not going to read it," he said.

He didn't read it and he was saying he had nothing to do with it, "“I have nothing to do as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025."

Did you read what he said? He repeatedly and regularly denied it. Multiple times. This is just one instance. He didn't say "nothing to do with drafting it, he said nothing to do with it. He didn't know what was in it, "purposefully."

He... didn't have anything to do with it, that was the point.