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[Folly]

Colorado is already reporting verified fraud in their early voting.

They did not note which side the fraud favored, nor did they suppose any motivation behind the fraud. I'll be very interested to find out whether this was an attempt to actually change the outcome of the election, or just to give substance to interference claims, encouraging general chaos.

[hector13]

It also got caught by the security measures in place, but nobody is going to focus on that.

[Great Order]

Things are suspicious when no fraud, or attempted fraud, is being caught. Means it's slipping through the net, wilfully or not.

[martinuzz]

Fuck you, Jeff Bezos. I hope you pay for fucking with freedom of journalism. (Bezos made the Washington Post not print Harris' lecture)

[anewaname]

Lancaster County, PA had about 2500 voter registrations get dropped off in two piles, and while processing them it was noticed that some signatures didn't match those on file and were done by the same person. They believe about 60% are fraudulent or not valid; but they are still sorting it out. The Fox 43 article. It is possible that the voter canvassers were just a bunch of dumb kids, because a bunch of the applications were valid and a bunch of voters acknowledged they signed up, it is just that a bunch were bad.

edit: Also, Mesa County, someone stole a dozen mail-in ballots, filled them out and sent them in.

[McTraveller]

I guess I'm glad I live in an enlightened state where voter registrations are automatic with various other things, like drivers license/state ID updates.

That said I think that is more than mere fraud; it's not only representing yourself as something you're not, it's also a "denial of service" attack and therefore election interference.  Definitely seems like we need to have our legislatures figure out how to make our voting system more robust to these kinds of attacks; they are like the meatspace equivalent of cyberattacks...

[Folly]

Definitely seems like we need to have our legislatures figure out how to make our voting system more robust to these kinds of attacks

Regrettably we are living in a time when US society is so paralyzed with fear of 'vote tampering' that literally any changes to the system, even those shown to make it more secure, will be perceived as an unacceptable risk.

I wish we could just make the whole system digital, massively reducing costs, increasing availability, and making the voting process immensely more secure. But instead we're stuck in the dark ages for the foreseeable future.

[eerr]

I mean, I remember once a polling machine gave me a card with two punched holes with hanging chads. the holes each corresponded to a single candidate.
The machine was also incapable of showing more than like three names at the same time, and had trouble switching. which may have been part of the problem.
I was kind of pissed.

I mean, it doesn't inspire me to use new electronic voting machines particularly. at least this has a paper trail I can double check.

[Folly]

Fuck you, Jeff Bezos. I hope you pay for fucking with freedom of journalism. (Bezos made the Washington Post not print Harris' lecture)

Were they going to print her lecture?
Before your edit, I assumed you were referring to Bezos intervening to cancel the Post's already written endorsement of Kamala, opting to instead endorse no candidate this cycle for the first time in 40 years.

[lemon10]

Regrettably we are living in a time when US society is so paralyzed with fear of 'vote tampering' that literally any changes to the system, even those shown to make it more secure, will be perceived as an unacceptable risk.

I wish we could just make the whole system digital, massively reducing costs, increasing availability, and making the voting process immensely more secure. But instead we're stuck in the dark ages for the foreseeable future.

Security experts have found security problems in every attempt at online voting,[44][45][46][47] including systems in Australia,[48][49] Estonia,[50][51] Switzerland,[52][53] Russia,[54][55][56] and the United States.[57][44]

Hahaha, no. Those two phrases don't go together.

Its true that in a digital system we won't have to worry about meatspace idiots interfering with it, but then we have to worry about 4chan/Russia/China hacking it instead.

[hector13]

Regrettably we are living in a time when US society is so paralyzed with fear of 'vote tampering' that literally any changes to the system, even those shown to make it more secure, will be perceived as an unacceptable risk.

I wish we could just make the whole system digital, massively reducing costs, increasing availability, and making the voting process immensely more secure. But instead we're stuck in the dark ages for the foreseeable future.

Security experts have found security problems in every attempt at online voting,[44][45][46][47] including systems in Australia,[48][49] Estonia,[50][51] Switzerland,[52][53] Russia,[54][55][56] and the United States.[57][44]

Hahaha, no. Those two phrases don't go together.

Its true that in a digital system we won't have to worry about meatspace idiots interfering with it, but then we have to worry about 4chan/Russia/China hacking it instead.

This is why a big deal is made over whether or not voting machines/counters are able to connect to the internet.

If they can’t, they’re not being hacked by someone who isn’t in the room.

You can argue the hacking attempts can come on the companies making the machines themselves, but there are ways to secure that, too.

[Robot Parade Leader]

Chris Titus says it pretty good. He also famously came through some bad circumstances in life. Seriously, watch that video even though I don't think it's NSFW, he cusses and tells it like it is and he's good at it. Your boss probably doesn't want to hear the truth said over company internet connection though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFVf9P23u6E

We weren't better off 4 years ago. All the store shelves were empty and everything was going to hell. Four years ago was 2020 COVID and Trump said it was a "hoax," or whatever. We had so many dead bodies they rented refrigerator trucks for them. Biden was not given a perfect anything like Trump lies about. It was a crap show in the middle of a pandemic after Trump shut down the Pandemic Response Offices worldwide and then we had a pandemic when trump wanted to inject people with bleach. When Biden took office after Trump did a little January 6th insurrection he's still currently criminally charged for even though his lawyer Rudy's been disbarred, and bankrupted for pushing Trump's conspiracy theories, things were bad. They're a lot better now even though crap is still not great. 

[Folly]

"Hacking" isn't like in the movies. Sure DoS is a thing, but compromised data really only happens on badly designed archaic systems or in the event of User Error. The former is entirely preventable, while the latter is a much greater danger with less digital systems which require more humans.

When set up properly, online voting would be at least as secure as all of the other sensitive data exchanges we do on our phones every day.

[Frumple]

Which... sees major data breaches from major organizations like every few months? You get that's not a reassuring statement, yeah? I'm not even against what you're proposing, that's just like the absolute last way you're going to convince someone worried about security, ha.

"Setting up properly" is doing a hell of a lot more lifting than it probably should, too. The US electoral infrastructure is incredibly patchwork, doing anything major to it as a whole is a pretty damn herculean task being aimed at a workforce that's substantially manned by temporary volunteers. You'd be seeing a lot of that user error, heh.

[Starver]

A couple of obviously still relevant (FCVO 'relevant', but definitely non-zero) xkcds, in line with the "There's an xkcd for everything" mantra...

https://www.xkcd.com/463/   (From August 2008, a Presidential year)
https://www.xkcd.com/2030/  (From August 2018, a mid-term year)

(...hmm, given the dates, I wonder if there'll be an apt comic, number approaching 3400, in the August 2028 run-up to the next potential term of Donald. I mean, if he gets in this time, it shouldn't be, though I wouldn't put it past the powers behind his throne somehow getting past the 22nd if it already all rolls his way this time.)



What gets me is the reports of people asking (demanding!) to open up a voting machine and have a look at its insides. Even 'opened up', it's a bit of a Black Box that the casual "concerned (sovereign-)citizen" really could not work out is (or is not) working correctly. And if they even spot a discrepancy, and it turns out to be in their favour, are they honestly going to report it like a true supporter of democracy, or at least allow someone of the opposite flavour come along and discover that the "vote bias against <foo>" jumpers have accidentally been set, or the USB stick labeled "test votes, all for <bar>" has for some reason been left plugged into the mobo backplane?