That's what I thought too but again it's all conjecture. I do know there has been some evasion from many different countries so I don't want to single this one out in particular. I had heard of some instances here so when I found this old bookmark I thought I would ask. There actually is quite a bit of evasion going on from lots of places apparently. It's probably pretty hard to track down. Dual use goods in particular are being noted as shipped to third countries and then diverted. This supply chain could be a neat scheme because of the psychological condition in the US regarding China making that step an easy blame and extending the time this could go for if that were to be the case. Or maybe it's as was presented a while ago. Again I don't know how anything works. For more on what I don't know how it works but someone definately should, see the Shadow Fleet and the AU79 laundering schemes.
I have advice on how not to end up with the most people frustrated!
I found an article touching on marihuana policy.
Let's look here first to see if we're wrong about being right.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/27/dea-cannabis-classificationThe article was the one I read below.
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/13/nx-s1-5151968/harris-weed-cryptoThere are some policy quandaries in the article linked here. First though, let us recall the division of power between state and federal. Almost all the new marihuana law is state because... well... Congress... but that's besides the point. State law can't be conflicting with Federal law. The point is, will the federal law be demanding so as to overwrite state law or loose and ride alongside it like some sort of axiomatic remora? There are pros and cons to both ways. For example a baseline that essentially says
Section 420:
(C)(3)(w) - Dawg... every adult can grow weeds in their residence or enclosed outside on their property now and there is a limit
(x) you can drive with it in storage too but there is a limit so you don't get held up by robbers
(y) etc this is doable
would be helpful, but a demanding law could perhaps conflict with things I like about the current state law. I am conflicted because big grows currently exist and so my ambition tells me to want to save up for one. However I also realize that would floor the price and cause over supply if everyone was trying to do that and I think the Republicans in charge in my local will probably block me from doing much if they get a say. I'm not very in touch with how it's working for business, but in principle I'm more in favor of small grows rather than very big farms that I think are better off regulated to be supplementary as a sort of price control to keep supply from growing too low or price going too high. One thing I noticed with nicotine vaporizor fluid before I quit is that it seems to cost the same everywhere, so I think two counter balancing sources of supply could help keep pricing wizards from fixing a price like seemed what was going on with the vape sauce in the three stores I checked, maybe due to the licencing required for nicotine products. Another idea would be to find ways of medium to long term storage or processing that doesn't cause product degradation while sitting in storage. Don't pickle it! Yuck! That way large producers could have storage to keep on hand a supplementary supply in case small growers can't come through with the full demand which does seem very likely. I thought perhaps a small amount of the initial tax could go towards these facilities and perhaps some crop insurance when in the storage as it would be a service to all growers to have a reasonable outcome between large and small growers in a way that allows some inherent price controls to keep at a price that's good for both types of producer. without being a heavy burden to the customer. I don't know if it would require refridgeration (probably humidity control at least) but if it does put windmills all over that thing!
This sounds great because it's designed to supposed to, but let me explain. The thing on weed reminds me of things that made Mayor Adams initial steps towards beginning to look like a goofball even before the campaign finance violations were public knowledge.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/new-york-legal-weed-cannabis-farmers-struggling-1234985171/From memory the initiative looked good and promising at the start, with some actually good ideas like allowing marihuana felons to have first go at the licences, At this point I was thinking that this looks pretty good, I might have to borrow some of these ideas. The licencing took forever to sort out. A bunch of dispensaries opened up in a self proclaimed grey zone but it's too difficult to be mad at a lot of them so honestly I think they are a sort of example for allowing low requirement sales of quality tested marihuana. Then the mayor's friend owned a dispensary or something and it just didn't look good in a way I can't specifically recall. Then some time after that there was the mayor's other friend opening a big gambling joint across from the Cathedral, and then, while this seems potentially awesome if done stringently well, immediately afterwards talk of legalizing prostitution emerged from City and I had to crack the joke of wondering where next to the Cathedral the mayor's 3rd pal's McWhorehouse would go. See! I ended up with one mighty but careless joke harming all those things I'm not necessarily against always 100% if they are done proper-like with good laws and crafted by responsible and diligent statesmen.
Returning back to marihuana, allowing favored access through gatewayed licensing isn't a good answer. No matter what the international criminals I like to call (for the purpose of discernment from good and honorable medical professionals) "Labcoat Gangsters" may tell you for moneys, people without a doctorate and also lacking a government issued licence to kill can indeed sell marihuana and marihuana accessories safely to the public. <squints at Labcoat Gang> Safelier? Safetier? Whatever the word they learned in school was and then had to sell dope to pay for, they are still full of shit... and helped addict and kill how many millions of innocent people? Not credible representatives of the public interest in my opinion. SWISH!
This is a good time to note this because President Biden did talk about rescheduling marihuana and this is a good step forward, but to a scheduling that if I remember correctly still requires a either a prescription process to market. Perhaps it's like Robotussin schedule where it's over the counter but not sold everywhere and probably needs some hefty licence. If done this way and enforced, it's likely to greatly restrict the accessibility of selling marihuana. I do think it should be possible to grow your limited number of plants, harvest and prepare it for sale in the local neighborhood while abiding by all the laws on hawking, paying taxes, and performing an affordable quality inspection. I'd like to be able to go to farmer's markets for example and purchase or even maybe sell some local marihuana in small quantities without someone always threatening to jail or take my stuff like some kind of bandit.
Legalizing this valuable plant that can be grown easily outdoors or with a small investment indoors is great if it's regulated for reasonable safety and quality without making this process too expensive to access the market while still remaining taxable, like I dunno the pizza hero who delivers my food on time for a reasonable tip. He has a such a sci-fi device! I guess that's why he's some kind of super-hero and not a normal dude to have invented that unique device that he carries which accepts my payment and calculates tax.
I note that ways were proposed to help young black men engage in this commerce. This is something I completely support and encourage. Heck, who do you think I was buying Mexican Brick Weed and Fire and Christmas Trees from back in the black market days? Even some Northern Lights and various dro that cost too much to do anything with from Canada... That support, rather than licencing gateway alleviation, should probably instead be business capital (which can be quite cheap with most of it reusable except for the clones or seedlings) and access to knowledge such as horticultural training, especially if they want to grow other plants as well. Production capital doesn't consist of much: buckets, dirt, drain, small irrigation system, maybe ventilation, lights. Probably some other small things. It takes up the space of a slightly larger footprint than the buckets and produces something worth growing as more than a hobby in small quantities.
Doing things in a way that makes it difficult for small growers to compete with large growers isn't going to be a good idea in the long term, as I'll explain below.
So let us handwave all domestic problems away. We'll say that the prototype big weed grow doesn't turn into Big Corpo Weed and consolidate into a blight on the public like Big Corpo Tobacco with all the chemical additives and whatnot. Weed businesses are already doing that stuff and I am not comfortable with it all because I am older than 5 and know about cigarettes, or that time a long time ago that the government sprayed herbicide on marihuana that causes schizophrenia in humans and it went to market...
Here is an international problem that the US is going to blunder right into, high as a fucking KITE on all the legalized bribery.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/thailand-cannabis/So, we have here a country in which illicit sales of US marihuana impacted the political process. It turns out some large US growers decided to get into the export business before it was legal. I sympathize in principle and I'd rather see a stern warning and advice on how to do things proper, or a very small financial penalty rather than criminal charges because part of this is on Uncle Sam's fatass. I can sympathize because I lived a few hours away from Ohio though I never made such a jaunt. However it was a very stupid thing to do because a party that is in opposition to recreational use was elected and this issue played a notable enough role that it changed domestic policy there in response and it made international news for all your international critics to find and sharpen.
Now, Thailand appears to love marihuana as much as the next rational country which gave it an honest try, so it's not completely illegal again IIRC. It's simply been made medical only. However I think that this international incident would not have been an issue if there were not large entities seeking an export market, and if that market was mostly local with large growers fulfilling a supplementary supply role with storange and perhaps some sort of on again-off again large scale production to keep stock up without over or under producing. I think in this matter that if a small grower were to try to smuggle some to Thailand, it is less likely it would be in quantities that impact regional politics than entities who can move tons into a new market when it opens.
A number of people, whom the article described in ways suggestive that they may have had something like hope for the first time, instead presumably went out of business from this. I haven't checked but it seems a reasonable assumption as well as possibly a difficult search result for an English speaker to search for so I didn't check. It seems like people more familiar with the issue may feel some pressure not to be a public critic either.
The new party in power basically purged the old one for failing to respect the monarchy IIRC. Mostly from memory: People including the former leader were arrested and sentenced to political prison for trying to repeal
a law that applies a prison sentence to people convicted of insulting the King. It turns out repealing such a law is difficult to do without being found to have insulted the King and impossible if you are sent to jail. So I guess well done to my generally critical of authority fellow businesspeople on incurring aversions in nearly every sense of this particular venture after managing the lofty pillar of having money for that thing I can't do because it's expensive but also recognize I'd be flooding supply if I could. Like you did to those people because you have such a thing!
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/07/asia/thailand-move-forward-dissolved-int-hnk/index.htmlSo the way to do things when exporting would be 1: Only do this by agreement with other countries. 2: Do not allow a disruption of the local market, which if I had my way I would advise to try the small grower thing as a form of low capital investment wealth creation among less fortunate but motivated citizens. 3: Supply, demand and price should factor into the decision as well. It won't do this scheme well to allow motivated poor people to produce something at their house if the price goes down to corn prices. Please refer to the short tantrum below in regards to corn prices.
However instead of recognizing foreseeable problems, from this article I usually see steps like this taken by the Democrats:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/weed-dealer-new-york-legal-cannabis-business-1235071019/New York Gov. Kathy Hochul signed legislation that makes it a crime to sell cannabis products without a license, specifically outlawing “indirect retail sales,” including “a membership to a club, association, or other organization.”
The result on poor person trying to sell a small amount due to licence to sell being outrageously priced:
Following Joanne Wilson’s recommendation, I contact Sid Gupta at Flowerhouse, one of New York’s legal growers. Miraculously, within minutes of our initial phone call, based on Gotham’s interest, Gupta agrees to consider working together. “It’s a royalty deal,” Gupta declares. “You secure the sales, and we’ll navigate the cultivation and delivery.”
In return, an eight-percent slice of the pie awaits me. I would make approximately $1 per eighth sold. Not a windfall by any stretch, but a start? Legal weed. I could stop hiding and promote my brand in public.
So maybe I'm misunderstanding and this guy is being offered commission to make sales and not being paid for what he grew himself. However, still, $1 fucking dollar an eighth of an ounce! That is fucking LICENCED ROBBERY and it's clear the Democrat leadership is completely on board with it. That's way too close to fucking CORN PRICES!
THE REASON I DIDN'T GROW CORN IS BECAUSE THE TIME I TRIED I MADE $8 AND MY BOOMER DAD TOOK FUCKING HALF DURING THE GREAT RECESSION
I'm sorry Pootie Tang and
Pootie Tang Dad! Fuck corn prices!! I'll eat it for subsistence but I'm not selling jack shit for $1 a fucking eighth!
It would be possible to have a market many people could participate in for returns of relatively small amounts of money in wealthy or even comfortable people terms but still considerable (side-llne income myth we millennials were fed, remember?) amounts of money to someone like me.
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