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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #53610 on: October 12, 2024, 01:11:51 pm »

Indeed; all those outcomes above sound really nice, but they don't talk about how to get there. Post scarcity sounds great, but I've never seen a convincing path to it.  Considering there are both social and technical problems... it seems a tough sell.
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« Reply #53611 on: October 12, 2024, 03:38:06 pm »

O I agree there's a lot of corruption and infrastructure problems leading to world hunger but money and proper planning can fix those. Lack of money and resources sure can't.

Musk wasted all that money on buying  twitter instead of literally anything else including food for the world. He absolutely paid it because he was forced to back up his BS this time and couldn't get out of it even though he tried. It doesn't matter if it seems utopian and I share your disbelief that he couldn't managed to actually do it because he never delivers on things like he states without massive issues. The point is he said he could and made another big promise he couldn't keep because he wanted himself to look good. This man is not the super ability having God he pretends to be. 

The point is he is "inefficiency" which is usually the thing the government is called even though it isn't true.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/how-will-elon-musk-pay-twitter-2022-10-07/

All the debt is still there. Musk still owes the money.
Musk pledged to provide $46.5 billion in equity and debt financing for the acquisition, which covered the $44 billion price tag and the closing costs. Banks, including Morgan Stanley (MS.N), and Bank of America Corp (BAC.N), committed to provide $13 billion in debt financing.

So that's 13 Billion dollars from banks like Morgan Stanley and Bank of America, which is all real and somebody owes it.
$7.1 billion he had secured from equity investors, including Oracle Corp (ORCL.N), co-founder Larry Ellison and Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.
Musk had about $20 billion cash after selling part of his stake in Tesla through multiple transactions in November and December last year and April and August.
Musk would have needed to raise an additional $2 billion to $3 billion to complete the financing for the deal.

All that money is real and was really wasted. Morgan Stanley wants their money and interest and so does Bank of America. You can bet Oracle Corp does too and the Saudi Royal Family absolutely wants their money paid back. All of this could have gone to literally anything else including Tesla or actually anything.

Instead Musk burned the value of the money into thin air, because nobody is going to give anyone $44 Billion dollars for Twitter. So that $44 Billion investment is no longer worth $44 Billion Dollars, because Musk ruined it. The same exact thing happened in the foreclosure crisis. People paid $400,000 for a home, but then at foreclosure it only sold for $100,000 and the $300,000 went up in smoke.

Musk destroyed the value of the money but he still owes it to the banks, Oracle Co, and the Saudi Royal Family. The only reason he pulled this off was because they know it can be collected from him. If he doesn't pay, then they can take his assets including Tesla stock or whatever else he has.

If you buy a house for a lot of money and the house ends up being worth less than you paid for it, then you have an underwater mortgage. https://www.forbes.com/advisor/mortgages/underwater-mortgage/ An underwater mortgage—also known as an upside-down mortgage—is a home loan with a higher balance than the property’s market value. Yes, money can and does evaporate into thin air when things go bad especially in a fiat economy.

People who sold twitter got that $44 Billion dollars of money Musk gave them and they are doing fine, because they forced him.
Musk has a ruined devalued Twitter in exchange for all that money. Nobody is going to buy it for even half what he paid for it.
Things are only worth what someone will pay you for it. Twitter lots tons of the critical staff that maintained it and its reputation is down badly. It is diminished greatly.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/05/29/every-way-twitter-has-gotten-worse-since-it-became-x/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-02/twitter-elon-musk-one-year-world-human-rights-x-social-media/103044304

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/x-now-worth-71-less-than-when-musk-bought-it-fidelity-estimates
O look, here is an earlier article from January when it had only lost 71% of its value. Now it has lost 80%

https://www.engadget.com/twitter-losing-advertisers-boycott-193748977.html
Twitter's value comes from the money it generates from advertisers but they're leaving and taking their money out of twitter.
https://www.newsweek.com/x-advertisers-pulling-out-elon-musk-twitter-1844949

O look, here's why all the advertisers are leaving, because Elon Musk told all the advertisers to F themselves.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2023/11/30/elon-musk-x-advertisers-boycott-platform-antisemitism-ebof-vpx.cnn
"Elon Musk directly tells advertisers to 'go f**k yourself' during interview" Look at the date on that "2023/11/30" or November 30, 2023. So this is several months before he sues them (more on that later) He threw the first punch with the "Go F yourself" to the advertisers who paid twitter's bills and now that revenue stream is ruined with no real way to get it back.

So yes, he told the people paying twitter's bills to go F*** themselves and is now wondering why revenue is down. You don't tell your paying customers to F themselves and then say the value hasn't gone down. This is poison. Imagine any business that told their paying customers to go F themselves? That business would have serious problems and now twitter does because of him. He did this.
But wait, Elon has a plan to win them all back https://apnews.com/article/x-sues-advertisers-unilever-cvs-mars-orsted-673d1ae88e9fb0ca5b170d238739453e He's going to sue the people who left after he told them to go F themselves. Yeah, that's not gonna work and I don't know because I'm not a lawyer but if you tell your customers to leave and F themselves you can't then sue them for leaving like you told them to. Honestly, can you imagine expecting money from any customer you tell to go F themselves?

I don't see that as a winning sales pitch for Elon Musk or anyone, "Hey buy my product and go F yourself." He did this on tape. Everyone saw it and who wants to do business with a person who tells you "Go F yourself" instead of "thank you come again?" I wonder if he is OK? I mean what possessed him to say that to his customers. If you knew any business person who was planning on saying that to their customers, you would talk them out of it. That's just F-  super failure marketing. How can you win off that? I mean, please remember our winning customer service where you are told to "go F yourself?" After he says this twice on camera, he  then asks "is that clear?" So he has doubled down and tripled down on camera. Ouch.

Bottom line: That money could have been better spent on just about anything else and curing world hunger was just an example. For $44 Billion, I bet the infrastructure and corruption could have been solved or at least a lot could've been done about it.

All I want is a halfway decent world where people have a chance instead of 10%+ of even the American population having food insecurity. Instead, the world is somehow how it is.
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« Reply #53612 on: October 12, 2024, 06:42:34 pm »

The ultra-rich are balancing dangerously close to an edge below which are only sharpened pitchforks. Let's hope the rich but not insanely-rich folks will remember the French Revolution, and realize in time that they will be dragged along if that happens, and help put an end to inequality.

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #53613 on: October 12, 2024, 08:40:25 pm »

Most historical revolutions would have gone down very differently if the rich back then had access to modern weaponry.
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« Reply #53614 on: October 12, 2024, 10:32:24 pm »

... and facial recognition. I nearly laughed in the face of some would-be-bully who was trying to grift me, when he said he couldn't enter Walmarts because of something he did there and because of facial recognition. Pitchforks aren't enough now, and drone defenses will be more common soon enough.
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« Reply #53615 on: October 13, 2024, 12:35:14 pm »

I'm trying to figure out what kind of nonsense you could possibly do to get yourself kicked out of WalMart, of all places...
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« Reply #53616 on: October 13, 2024, 04:27:27 pm »

It's... not actually that hard? Fighting, tantruming, theft, skeevy/rapey sex stuff. Cause enough disruptions and/or stock loss and they won't want you in there anymore. It has to be a bit persistent or excessive, but... walmart's still a business. They can and will kick your ass off the premises and slap a restraining order or whatever on you.

... and walmart is still a business. They're as corpo as corpo gets. They will not hesitate to sic the cops on you if you become a sufficient nuisance.
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« Reply #53617 on: October 16, 2024, 03:52:09 am »

Hey, did this mystery ever get solved?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/14/business/faa-probe-counterfeit-titanium-boeing-airbus/index.html

I asked because I interrogated my bookmarks folder for mentions of Boeing due to the troubles and what-not.

So here is a better article than one I had bookmarked. It appears to be misleadingly titled, probably to be clickbait.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2024/06/18/a-chinese-state-company-supplied-suspect-titanium-used-in-boeing-airbus-planes/

So, I think the title of this article is probably misleading. Here is why:

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So, if that source is correct, did the manufacturer just not realize it wasn't legit when they were forging? That doesn't seem right. I'm no metallurgical expert but it seems to me that different materials have different properties.

Here's something of note:

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/russia-aircraft-parts-made-by-boeing-airbus-are-flowing-to-country-despite-sanctions-customs-data-shows/

It seems like this would be a good avenue to do a diversion of parts and swap it out with junk. That's complete and possibly wild speculation however, and I don't know how any of it works.

Hey look at these big plans:

https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/2024/04/07/turkish-companies-to-make-airbus-aircraft-parts/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/airbus-rolls-royce-close-to-20-billion-turkish-airlines-parts-deal
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« Reply #53618 on: October 16, 2024, 08:56:28 am »

A little Ave Maria will probably soothe your mind.

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« Reply #53619 on: October 16, 2024, 11:20:15 am »

A little Ave Maria will probably soothe your mind.

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I have, for the past few weeks, thought that Herr Trump looks like what would happen if Agent 47 really let himself go, so it was incredibly delightful for me that Ave Maria is playing a part in his utterly nonsensical campaign.
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« Reply #53620 on: October 16, 2024, 01:19:20 pm »

A little Ave Maria will probably soothe your mind.

 ;)

I have, for the past few weeks, thought that Herr Trump looks like what would happen if Agent 47 really let himself go, so it was incredibly delightful for me that Ave Maria is playing a part in his utterly nonsensical campaign.

Ah(ve!), thanks for the context, in what seemed a strange retort[1]. I take it that he's found some walk-on/-off tune he can use where the 'owner'[2] isn't around to ask him to stop. ;)


[1] Just like used by an unhinged chemist!

[2] The tune either from Bach, Schubert or Vavilov, woven into the original words a la Luke. But I'm not completely sure which treatment the video game appropriates.
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« Reply #53621 on: October 16, 2024, 04:04:59 pm »

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There should be checks in place at the manufacturers, to test the raw materials before use. This would allow the manufacturer to deny payment to the raw material provider according to their contract, etc; especially to protect their contracts with the buyer of their product (presumably Boeing). That being said, those checks can fail due to corruptions of the human element and there definitely could be a conspiracy at the manufacturing site to sneak in lower quality materials or to produce extra components for someone's side-business. Grangemouth lego blocks?
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« Reply #53622 on: October 17, 2024, 12:51:07 am »

That's what I thought too but again it's all conjecture. I do know there has been some evasion from many different countries so I don't want to single this one out in particular. I had heard of some instances here so when I found this old bookmark I thought I would ask. There actually is quite a bit of evasion going on from lots of places apparently. It's probably pretty hard to track down. Dual use goods in particular are being  noted as shipped to third countries and then diverted. This supply chain could be a neat scheme because of the psychological condition in the US regarding China making that step an easy blame and extending the time this could go for if that were to be the case. Or maybe it's as was presented a while ago. Again I don't know how anything works. For more on what I don't know how it works but someone definately should, see the Shadow Fleet and the AU79 laundering schemes.

I have advice on how not to end up with the most people frustrated!

I found an article touching on marihuana policy.

Let's look here first to see if we're wrong about being right.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/27/dea-cannabis-classification

The article was the one I read below.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/13/nx-s1-5151968/harris-weed-crypto

There are some policy quandaries in the article linked here. First though, let us recall the division of power between state and federal. Almost all the new marihuana law is state because... well... Congress... but that's besides the point. State law can't be conflicting with Federal law. The point is, will the federal law be demanding so as to overwrite state law or loose and ride alongside it like some sort of axiomatic remora? There are pros and cons to both ways. For example a baseline that essentially says

Section 420:
(C)(3)(w) - Dawg... every adult can grow weeds in their residence or enclosed outside on their property now and there is a limit
(x) you can drive with it in storage too but there is a limit so you don't get held up by robbers
(y) etc this is doable

would be helpful, but a demanding law could perhaps conflict with things I like about the current state law. I am conflicted because big grows currently exist and so my ambition tells me to want to save up for one. However I also realize that would floor the price and cause over supply if everyone was trying to do that and I think the Republicans in charge in my local will probably block me from doing much if they get a say. I'm not very in touch with how it's working for business, but in principle I'm more in favor of small grows rather than very big farms that I think are better off regulated to be supplementary as a sort of price control to keep supply from growing too low or price going too high. One thing I noticed with nicotine vaporizor fluid before I quit is that it seems to cost the same everywhere, so I think two counter balancing sources of supply could help keep pricing wizards from fixing a price like seemed what was going on with the vape sauce in the three stores I checked, maybe due to the licencing required for nicotine products. Another idea would be to find ways of medium to long term storage or processing that doesn't cause product degradation while sitting in storage. Don't pickle it! Yuck! That way large producers could have storage to keep on hand a supplementary supply in case small growers can't come through with the full demand which does seem very likely. I thought perhaps a small amount of the initial tax could go towards these facilities and perhaps some crop insurance when in the storage as it would be a service to all growers to have a reasonable outcome between large and small growers in a way that allows some inherent price controls to keep at a price that's good for both types of producer. without being a heavy burden to the customer. I don't know if it would require refridgeration (probably humidity control at least) but if it does put windmills all over that thing!

This sounds great because it's designed to supposed to, but let me explain. The thing on weed reminds me of things that made Mayor Adams initial steps towards beginning to look like a goofball even before the campaign finance violations were public knowledge.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/new-york-legal-weed-cannabis-farmers-struggling-1234985171/

From memory the initiative looked good and promising at the start, with some actually good ideas like allowing marihuana felons to have first go at the licences, At this point I was thinking that this looks pretty good, I might have to borrow some of these ideas. The licencing took forever to sort out. A bunch of dispensaries opened up in a self proclaimed grey zone but it's too difficult to be mad at a lot of them so honestly I think they are a sort of example for allowing low requirement sales of quality tested marihuana. Then the mayor's friend owned a dispensary or something and it just didn't look good in a way I can't specifically recall. Then some time after that there was the mayor's other friend opening a big gambling joint across from the Cathedral, and then, while this seems potentially awesome if done stringently well, immediately afterwards talk of legalizing prostitution emerged from City and I had to crack the joke of wondering where next to the Cathedral the mayor's 3rd pal's McWhorehouse would go. See! I ended up with one mighty but careless joke harming all those things I'm not necessarily against always 100% if they are done proper-like with good laws and crafted by responsible and diligent statesmen.

Returning back to marihuana, allowing favored access through gatewayed licensing isn't a good answer. No matter what the international criminals I like to call (for the purpose of discernment from good and honorable medical professionals) "Labcoat Gangsters" may tell you for moneys, people without a doctorate and also lacking a government issued licence to kill can indeed sell marihuana and marihuana accessories safely to the public. <squints at Labcoat Gang> Safelier? Safetier? Whatever the word they learned in school was and then had to sell dope to pay for, they are still full of shit... and helped addict and kill how many millions of innocent people? Not credible representatives of the public interest in my opinion. SWISH!

This is a good time to note this because President Biden did talk about rescheduling marihuana and this is a good step forward, but to a scheduling that if I remember correctly still requires a either a prescription process to market. Perhaps it's like Robotussin schedule where it's over the counter but not sold everywhere and probably needs some hefty licence. If done this way and enforced, it's likely to greatly restrict the accessibility of selling marihuana. I do think it should be possible to grow your limited number of plants, harvest and prepare it for sale in the local neighborhood while abiding by all the laws on hawking, paying taxes, and performing an affordable quality inspection. I'd like to be able to go to farmer's markets for example and purchase or even maybe sell some local marihuana in small quantities without someone always threatening to jail or take my stuff like some kind of bandit.

Legalizing this valuable plant that can be grown easily outdoors or with a small investment indoors is great if it's regulated for reasonable safety and quality without making this process too expensive to access the market while still remaining taxable, like I dunno the pizza hero who delivers my food on time for a reasonable tip. He has a such a sci-fi device! I guess that's why he's some kind of super-hero and not a normal dude to have invented that unique device that he carries which accepts my payment and calculates tax.

I note that ways were proposed to help young black men engage in this commerce. This is something I completely support and encourage. Heck, who do you think I was buying Mexican Brick Weed and Fire and Christmas Trees from back in the black market days? Even some Northern Lights and various dro that cost too much to do anything with from Canada... That support, rather than licencing gateway alleviation, should probably instead be business capital (which can be quite cheap with most of it reusable except for the clones or seedlings) and access to knowledge such as horticultural training, especially if they want to grow other plants as well. Production capital doesn't consist of much: buckets, dirt, drain, small irrigation system, maybe ventilation, lights. Probably some other small things. It takes up the space of a slightly larger footprint than the buckets and produces something worth growing as more than a hobby in small quantities.

Doing things in a way that makes it difficult for small growers to compete with large growers isn't going to be a good idea in the long term, as I'll explain below.

So let us handwave all domestic problems away. We'll say that the prototype big weed grow doesn't turn into Big Corpo Weed and consolidate into a blight on the public like Big Corpo Tobacco with all the chemical additives and whatnot. Weed businesses are already doing that stuff and I am not comfortable with it all because I am older than 5 and know about cigarettes, or that time a long time ago that the government sprayed herbicide on marihuana that causes schizophrenia in humans and it went to market...

Here is an international problem that the US is going to blunder right into, high as a fucking KITE on all the legalized bribery.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/thailand-cannabis/

So, we have here a country in which illicit sales of US marihuana impacted the political process. It turns out some large US growers decided to get into the export business before it was legal. I sympathize in principle and I'd rather see a stern warning and advice on how to do things proper, or a very small financial penalty rather than criminal charges because part of this is on Uncle Sam's fatass. I can sympathize because I lived a few hours away from Ohio though I never made such a jaunt. However it was a very stupid thing to do because a party that is in opposition to recreational use was elected and this issue played a notable enough role that it changed domestic policy there in response and it made international news for all your international critics to find and sharpen.

Now, Thailand appears to love marihuana as much as the next rational country which gave it an honest try, so it's not completely illegal again IIRC. It's simply been made medical only. However I think that this international incident would not have been an issue if there were not large entities seeking an export market, and if that market was mostly local with large growers fulfilling a supplementary supply role with storange and perhaps some sort of on again-off again large scale production to keep stock up without over or under producing. I think in this matter that if a small grower were to try to smuggle some to Thailand, it is less likely it would be in quantities that impact regional politics than entities who can move tons into a new market when it opens.

A number of people, whom the article described in ways suggestive that they may have had something like hope for the first time, instead presumably went out of business from this. I haven't checked but it seems a reasonable assumption as well as possibly a difficult search result for an English speaker to search for so I didn't check. It seems like people more familiar with the issue may feel some pressure not to be a public critic either.

The new party in power basically purged the old one for failing to respect the monarchy IIRC. Mostly from memory: People including the former leader were arrested and sentenced to political prison for trying to repeal a law that applies a prison sentence to people convicted of insulting the King. It turns out repealing such a law is difficult to do without being found to have insulted the King and impossible if you are sent to jail. So I guess well done to my generally critical of authority fellow businesspeople on incurring aversions in nearly every sense of this particular venture after managing the lofty pillar of having money for that thing I can't do because it's expensive but also recognize I'd be flooding supply if I could. Like you did to those people because you have such a thing!

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/07/asia/thailand-move-forward-dissolved-int-hnk/index.html

So the way to do things when exporting would be 1: Only do this by agreement with other countries. 2: Do not allow a disruption of the local market, which if I had my way I would advise to try the small grower thing as a form of low capital investment wealth creation among less fortunate but motivated citizens. 3: Supply, demand and price should factor into the decision as well. It won't do this scheme well to allow motivated poor people to produce something at their house if the price goes down to corn prices. Please refer to the short tantrum below in regards to corn prices.

However instead of recognizing foreseeable problems, from this article I usually see steps like this taken by the Democrats:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/weed-dealer-new-york-legal-cannabis-business-1235071019/
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The result on poor person trying to sell a small amount due to licence to sell being outrageously priced:
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So maybe I'm misunderstanding and this guy is being offered commission to make sales and not being paid for what he grew himself. However, still, $1 fucking dollar an eighth of an ounce! That is fucking LICENCED ROBBERY and it's clear the Democrat leadership is completely on board with it. That's way too close to fucking CORN PRICES!

THE REASON I DIDN'T GROW CORN IS BECAUSE THE TIME I TRIED I MADE $8 AND MY BOOMER DAD TOOK FUCKING HALF DURING THE GREAT RECESSION

I'm sorry Pootie Tang and Pootie Tang Dad! Fuck corn prices!! I'll eat it for subsistence but I'm not selling jack shit for $1 a fucking eighth!

It would be possible to have a market many people could participate in for returns of relatively small amounts of money in wealthy or even comfortable people terms but still considerable (side-llne income myth we millennials were fed, remember?) amounts of money to someone like me.
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« Reply #53623 on: October 17, 2024, 09:02:04 am »

I'm really troubled by the lack of understanding about basic economic principles I see from the cross section of the general public that posts on various news website forums.  Specifically related to Trump's tariff proposals.

There's a vast number of people who don't see how tariffs are going to increase prices (and in fact will somehow lower them?) but they think that increased corporate income tax would increase prices.  What's worse is they scream about corporate profits being due to greed, and that's what caused inflation, but somehow the Trump administration will prevent greed by lowering corporate income tax.  Basically all of Trump's proposed policies will reduce competition, put upward price pressure on things, or put more money in the pocket of the rich (if you lower corporate income tax, that untaxed revenue is going to go to the rich, it's not going to go to reducing prices or increasing wages).

I read someone post that "I get a bonus based on profits, so if corporate taxes go up then profits are lowered, so my bonus will be less." There are many details here that don't make sense, because any bonus counts as wage and is an expense which reduces "profit" in the first place so would reduce tax anyway.  So a company never pays a bonus out of profit...it pays bonuses out of revenue surplus over expenses. I suppose colloquially this is "profit" but it's not the type of profit that is subject to taxation... and I can't see how a company would be better off cash wise by paying less bonuses and more in taxes if the corporate tax rate would go up. In fact they may be incentivized to pay more in bonus, to increase their expenses.

I guess I just take for granted an education that included basic economic and accounting principles. I can't fault people for misunderstanding... but I guess I fault people for unfounded certainty that their understanding is correct and unwillingness to consider other positions.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #53624 on: October 19, 2024, 03:12:51 pm »

Preclusion is a powerful thing. If people like someone, and want them to "win", they will overlook reality in order to agree with them on principle. We all have inherent biases, but not all of us can spot them.
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