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[EuchreJack]

Arguably, this is a discussion for Armchair Economics Thread - Re-Resurrection or some other thread, unless somehow workers not accepting their Corporate Overlord's dominion is framed in an American Political context.

These are also not new things: A hundred years ago, Henry George spoke about the same sort of things.

I assume you mean the part about the strikes and not the part about the weather. Is there even a weather thread? AmeriWea?

Don't worry: Climate Change is always relevant in AmeriPol! 

[Micro102]

Well.... drinking cold water definitely requires some sort of AC, even if that is inside your fridge.

[Maximum Spin]

Well.... drinking cold water definitely requires some sort of AC, even if that is inside your fridge.

Nah. Underground springs and wells have been used as a source of cold water throughout the hot regions of the world since ancient times. In the middle east and northern africa they once had elaborate air-cooled underground aqueducts to transfer cold water. People living in hot places also used to build large insulated buildings to store ice in winter (or taken from high altitudes, in those places that don't freeze in winter) and use it over the course of the year.

Humans are resourceful, man.

[Micro102]

I'm not saying that everyone is going to die if it hits 100% humidity and 95 degrees F. We have plenty of types of AC. That was just the limit as far as I could look up as to how sweating and shade doesn't work anymore. Statistically, more people die with higher wetbulb temperatures, and UPS's decision to refuse AC will inevitably kill people. Specifically people who have not had to deal with record temperatures, and who live in areas that don't have the infrastructure built around heatwaves.

Which reminds me of Texas' new bill to remove mandatory water breaks.

[Maximum Spin]

I'm not saying that everyone is going to die if it hits 100% humidity and 95 degrees F.

If it's ~100% humidity and 95+ degrees F, you are dead. It doesn't matter if you are in the shade, or how much water you drink. Your body will slowly cook. You literally need AC or maybe a pool to live.

brooooo.

Just say you didn't know. It's cool, we all learn something every day.


UPS' decision is unlikely to kill people, anyway, just put them out and force them to do things like carry ice at their own expense. That doesn't make it any better.

[Micro102]

Maximum.... What exactly did you think I didn't know? Be specific.

[Maximum Spin]

Maximum.... What exactly did you think I didn't know? Be specific.

That people can survive temperatures over 95F at high humidity without needing "AC or maybe a pool", and that both being in the shade and the amount of water you drink do matter to this.
You know, the opposite of what you said.

[Micro102]

That people can survive temperatures over 95F at high humidity without needing "AC or maybe a pool", and that both being in the shade and the amount of water you drink do matter to this.
You know, the opposite of what you said.

And you demonstrated this how?

[Maximum Spin]

And you demonstrated this how?

You said that people can't, I said that they can and have been for centuries and gave examples, and then you said you weren't saying that people can't. It was pretty easy to follow, honestly.

[Micro102]

You said that people can't, I said that they can and have been for centuries and gave examples, and then you said you weren't saying that people can't. It was pretty easy to follow, honestly.

You know that putting aqueducts underground to cool, surrounded by the cooler earth, and putting ice in rooms to reduce the temperature is AC, right? They were conditioning the air to make things colder. Pools help because it's a large reservoir of water that takes longer to warm up, which makes it a great way to cool off, and the aqueduct also takes advantage of this. You are describing in detail the things I said people need to not die in the death range of wetbulb.

[martinuzz]

Related, albeit not Ameripol: Germany is actually considering introducing the siesta work hours like the mediterranean countries have, because of increasingly hot summer temperatures.

[Maximum Spin]

You know that putting aqueducts underground to cool, surrounded by the cooler earth, and putting ice in rooms to reduce the temperature is AC, right? They were conditioning the air to make things colder. Pools help because it's a large reservoir of water that takes longer to warm up, which makes it a great way to cool off, and the aqueduct also takes advantage of this. You are describing in detail the things I said people need to not die in the death range of wetbulb.

Then we must also be in agreement that UPS workers are not working without AC, right? If you're counting "carrying an ice pack" and "drinking cold water and pissing out hot water" as AC, then nobody doesn't have AC, and there's no problem.

Of course this isn't really what you meant.

[Egan_BW]

Judging from the fact that amazon truck drivers didn't have time to leave the truck to use the toilet, I'm not confident that UPS drivers are given enough time to get out and get cold drinking water.

[Maximum Spin]

Judging from the fact that amazon truck drivers didn't have time to leave the truck to use the toilet, I'm not confident that UPS drivers are given enough time to get out and get cold drinking water.

Truckers have been carrying it with them in the first place for decades.
By the way, don't open any bottles of suspiciously yellow fluid you find by the road.

[Micro102]

Maximum, surely you understand that there is a significant difference between having a functioning AC in trucks, something that just about every car has, and stacking blocks of ice in your truck or constantly buying ice cold water are two very different things, right?

Me complaining that they don't have that very easily obtainable AC in a culture that is removing mandatory water breaks and goading their workers into working so hard that they are afraid to take pee breaks, does not negate anything else I have said. And everyone knows this.