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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #51270 on: July 12, 2023, 10:06:15 am »

oh, it's the whataboutism we were just talking about
Seemed only right in the context.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #51271 on: July 12, 2023, 11:10:56 am »

What about whataboutism?!?!
What about airline food? What's up with that?
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« Reply #51272 on: July 12, 2023, 11:14:15 am »

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #51273 on: July 12, 2023, 11:16:42 am »

I thought I told you I'm not reading these
Are you looking for paraphrasing?
I'm an Arch-Conservative Menace, you can't believe a word I say!
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But yeah, I could probably provide more info, or move Supreme Court info to the other thread.

Oh well, since you can't argue with them since because that will only cause them to learn arguments that are insults to the words themselves that form those arguments... I think it's time to meet republicans at eye level and find some common ground: "sigh okay since you insist guns are a valid tool of political discourse, let's do 1 us 1 you interchangeably before yoi start filibustering again, pick a politician to shoot allready, what about it huh"
It would be a crime for me to admit my ready consent to your request.
Like seriously, you don't see how Republicans are at each other's throats in the House?

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #51274 on: July 12, 2023, 11:34:19 am »

No strawman arguments? Oh, well why don't we just ban arguments all together!
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« Reply #51275 on: July 12, 2023, 11:35:24 am »

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #51276 on: July 12, 2023, 01:23:38 pm »

Don't you know, children be forced to hear racist and homophobic hate speech, but heaven forbid they read a book that has people kissing!

Blowjobs and buttplugs.



The whole laptop story has been nonsense pushed by liars from the get-go, so the fact that liars are now lying about other liars isn't surprising at all.

Just watch. Twenty years from now you'll still have Republican candidates claiming to have found the True Laptop of Biden and conning followers into believing it has some relevance to their current events.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-hunters-laptop-is-real-but-only-to-protect-joe-biden/
https://nypost.com/2023/06/22/fbi-verified-authenticity-of-hunter-bidens-abandoned-laptop-in-november-2019-irs-whistleblower-gary-shapley/
https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/biden-campaign-blinken-orchestrated-intel-letter-discredit-hunter-biden-laptop/



ah, how could i forget the time that democrats stormed the capitol to overthrow an election

BLM rioters attempted to storm the White House and fought with the Secret Service, forcing Pence and Trump to be escorted to the bunker.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/30/protest-washington-dc-george-floyd-white-house-trump
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https://www.aei.org/op-eds/democrats-were-for-occupying-capitols-before-they-were-against-it/

Bonus: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/28/when-the-left-attacked-the-capitol-471270

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or the democratic plot to kidnap the democratic governor of michigan

FBI plot.
https://reason.com/2022/09/04/its-almost-always-the-feds/
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or the time the democrats declared themselves domestic terrorists at their summit

AG Garland created a nation-wide domestic terror threat tag relating to parents at school board meetings after a letter from school board leaders called them terrorists.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/16/us/politics/fbi-school-threats.html
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or the time democrats dogwhistled to white supremacists to stand by ahead of an election

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/14/nancy-pelosi-wonders-why-there-arent-uprisings-acr/

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or that time democrats called for the eradication of transgender people

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/farrakhan-his-own-words
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or that time democrats killed a democratic-lead bill because the democratic leader signaled in favor of it

???

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or the time that democrats unilaterally voted against a democratic-lead covid relief bill because the republicans agreed to sign it

https://apnews.com/article/house-vote-coronavirus-relief-package-33f4902ca9a2aed4e76274af6bb2ea5c
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or the time the democrats' political platform was 'unilaterally support the president' and nothing else

Hyperbole. Could just as easily claim the same about Obama or Biden for some arbitrary point in time.

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or the time the democrats pushed back against vaccines during covid, leading to hundreds of thousands of excess deaths

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/05/kamala-harris-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-409320
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html

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or the time democrats demonized the fbi and lead to several democrats crashing their cars and getting into shootouts with the fbi

???

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or that time democrats planted pipe bombs at the nation's capitol

FBI still hasn't figured out who did it. Bombs were placed at the DNC and RNC buildings, and had a one-hour egg timer (with the supposed intent of going off 17 hours later.)

https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/republicans-release-new-information-january-6-pipe-bomb-investigation

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or the time the democrats plotted the kidnapping or assassination of an ambassador to Ukraine to cover up extortion lead by the democratic president

???

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or the time a democratic president extorted an allied nation for political dirt on an opponent

or the time a republican vice president extorted an allied nation to fire a prosecutor investigating a company his son was on the board of

https://youtu.be/azLKK0xTOFI?t=33

You'll never guess what happened after they replaced the prosecutor...

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or the time a democrat overturned roe v wade

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/05/06/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-wade/

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or the time democrats campaigned on overthrowing roe v wade to appeal to evangelical christians

or the time republicans painted "If abortion isn't safe, neither are you" on churches to appeal to pro-choice liberals

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or the time a democrat broke into the speaker of the house's private home in a plot to assassinate her and settled for bludgeoning the speaker's spouse

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-futile-race-to-label-paul-pelosis-attacker

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or the time a democrat had a dick-waving contest with north korea about nuclear arsenals

or the time a republican drew a red line on north korea developing nuclear weapons and then did nothing while it happened

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or the time democrats killed the plan for student loan relief

or the time a republican president devised a plan for student loan relief, despite a republican speaker of the house saying the president lacks the authority

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or the time the democrats lead the war on drugs to quell anti-war sentiments and foster racism at the benefit of the evangelical white christians they were courting

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration

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or the time a democratic senator flew a minor across state lines to rape

or the time the democratic party unilaterally looked away from a democratic senator flying a minor across state lines to rape

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/politics/matt-gaetz-justice-department/index.html

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or the time a democratic governor kidnapped hundreds of migrants and dropped them at the doorstep of a political opponent

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/23/eric-adams-hammered-florida-and-texas-over-migrants-but-he-sent-asylum-seekers-to-both-00103447/
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-mayor-adams-plan-buses-migrants-past-county-immigrant-protection-law-republican-led-counties

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tch, they're all the same, republicans and democrats



Only thing I have to add to this: if you're in a party that's 10% nazis and that isn't a dealbreaker for you, you're either a nazi or a nazi sympathizer. End of fucking story.

Phase 1: Nazis join Democrat party.
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Democrats join Republican party.



You're lumping me in with fascists. They're literally 10% of the Republican Party. Which is 10% too many, but not 90% that aren't fascists.
Just curious, where did you getting 10% from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7l0Rq9E8MY
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« Reply #51277 on: July 12, 2023, 02:20:18 pm »

Maintaining politeness in a discussion is a fine goal to have. Shouldn't you also call out insinuating somebody is a nazi sympathiser or a straight up nazi, 'too dense to comprehend' or 'clinically fucking brain dead at best'?
I was actually covering that possibility, as it happens. That's certainly how inintended to say it. I was even thinking of semi-related (but actually on a different axis[1] of contention) terms such as Feminazi, but somewhere (I can't remember if this thread, probably another one) I even contrasted "TERF"s with the possibility of "FERT"s as the 'opposite extremists' in that whole issue of clashing ideologies.

I certainly don't think I'm qualified to allow anyone to describe anyone else a Nazi, even though I'm fairly sure that only a sparse few of those ever accused of it are actually the real thing, with a nebulous cloud of wannabes who'd be pleased to be thought of them. And I had seen this passing issue already questioned, anyway, by the time I decided to raise the separate issue of prominantly derogatory portmanteaus...

[1] Not a pun. An actual perpendicular, nothing to do with various mid 20thC alliances/allegiences etc.
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« Reply #51278 on: July 12, 2023, 02:37:13 pm »

Wowzers Bumber, how much Kool-Aid have you drank?

The first link is an advert for a book.

The laptop being verified as Hunter’s laptop /=/ the (2 out of 128,000!) emails saying what they say they do.

BLM rioters were not instructed by the Democratic president to storm the capitol, like Trump did when he got upset over losing a democratic vote.

An FBI sting does not a federal conspiracy make, Jesus why does that need to be spelled out?

Republican parents where using violence and intimidation tactics to force administrators and school boards who disagreed with them to quit, in much the same way that they used them to force election officials from their positions after Trump saying the election was rigged. Still waiting for that evidence three years hence.

Nancy Pelosi asks a question, doesn’t actually tell people to go out and commit violence like the orange buffoon.

Louis Farrakhan isn’t a democratic politician.

Republicans also said make mandates were unnecessary for an airborne virus that was putting severe pressure on health services across the world, the effects of which are still felt, and pushed conspiracy theories that a billionaire philanthropist was putting microchips in all the vaccines.

Tell me when a democratic president encouraged their supporters to March in the capitol because they were butthurt they lost an election and refused to sign off on sending people in to deal with it for hours?

Harris and Biden being cautious over vaccines approved by a man who suggest sunlight and bleach should be investigated as means of dealing with the virus, and constantly failed against expert advice during the pandemic is… I mean common sense doesn’t cover it really.

Right. Burisma being corrupt has… what to do with Joe Biden? I mean we’re back to the laptop here. Hunter getting a job because he happens to have the family name “Biden” doesn’t mean Joe Biden is corrupt. Unless of course your argument is that Europe, the IMF, and anti-corruption NGOs in Ukraine were also in on trying to keep Hunter away from prosecution?

I mean, just looking at the Matt Gaetz wikipedia page…
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On April 9, 2021, the House Ethics Committee opened an investigation into allegations that Gaetz "may have engaged in sexual misconduct and/or illicit drug use, shared inappropriate images or videos on the House floor, misused state identification records, converted campaign funds to personal use, and/or accepted a bribe, improper gratuity, or impermissible gift".[282] The committee deferred its investigation at the request of the Justice Department, but resumed it in June 2023.[283]
Sounds like a saint.

Tom Tuberville, the Republican refusing to confirm hundreds of appointments to mikitary leadership positions over a policy they have of paying for travel to get abortions, until very recently said that white nationalists weren’t racists, but just American. It also took

In short, yeah, Democrats are idiots, they’re human. Most assuredly the least bad option of the two choices available though.
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« Reply #51279 on: July 12, 2023, 03:15:38 pm »

I am not reading your link vomit.
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« Reply #51280 on: July 12, 2023, 03:34:29 pm »

Also, painting on churches isn't campaigning.

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or the time the democrats' political platform was 'unilaterally support the president' and nothing else


Hyperbole. Could just as easily claim the same about Obama or Biden for some arbitrary point in time.

Hyperbole my ass.

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Rather than adopting a new party platform,[94] the Republicans decided simply to recycle their 2016 party platform,[95] including several references to the "current president" and attacks on "the administration" (which in 2016 referred to Barack Obama and the Obama administration).[96] The decision was criticized by Republican activists.[97] In a tweet, Trump said that he would "prefer a new and updated platform, short form, if possible."[98]

The RNC did not do this, just issuing a one-page document stating opposition to the "Obama/Biden administration" and supporting President Trump's instead.[99][100]

Here's the NYMag, your favorite rag on the matter: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/republican-national-committee-2020-platform-trump.html
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And perhaps most remarkably of all, the party has announced it will forgo a platform altogether. In lieu of a document attempting to define the party’s beliefs and priorities, the RNC simply states that it agrees with everything Trump has done and will do:
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« Reply #51281 on: July 12, 2023, 03:42:43 pm »

There are bits I missed. Trump legitimizing Kim as a tinpot dictator and making other tiny dictators realise the way to be taken seriously is to develop nuclear weapons.

Also Trump trashing the deal that stopped Iran developing nukes, like a genius.

Also the pro-life activists living up to their ideal by firebombing clinics and outright murder.
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« Reply #51282 on: July 12, 2023, 03:44:37 pm »

I'm gonna dump info on the Supreme Court in my dedicated thread, so as not to clog up AmeriPol with too much info on one issue.

Feel free to join me there to criticize the Supreme Court Justice of your choice.

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« Reply #51283 on: July 14, 2023, 03:07:42 am »

Wowzers Bumber, how much Kool-Aid have you drank?

Not as much as you, likely.

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The first link is an advert for a book.

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The laptop being verified as Hunter’s laptop /=/ the (2 out of 128,000!) emails saying what they say they do.

As if you know what they say, having already dismissed them offhand. For instance, there's one that discusses a deal (which fell through) where Hunter would hold 10(% stake) for the "Big Guy". It was recently revealed (through FBI sources) that the owner of Burisma referred to VP Joe Biden as the Big Guy and was alleged to have given him a $5 million bribe (plus another $5 million for Hunter) through shell companies years before the laptop was seized or mentioned.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/joe-biden-referred-big-guy-dealings-with-ukraine-china-fbi-record

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BLM rioters were not instructed by the Democratic president to storm the capitol, like Trump did when he got upset over losing a democratic vote.

Trump never said to storm the capitol. Nice try.

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An FBI sting does not a federal conspiracy make, Jesus why does that need to be spelled out?

They found a bunch of losers talking shit, set them into motion on a plan that existed outside the fantasy realm, and then provided them with fake bombs for the bridge plan the FBI came up with. One of the plans the "terrorists" came up with was to put Whitmer on a boat and hope nobody rescued her, or something. If you're determined to have blind faith in the FBI, then there's nothing else I can say.

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Republican parents where using violence and intimidation tactics to force administrators and school boards who disagreed with them to quit,

Which would normally be a matter for local police...

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in much the same way that they used them to force election officials from their positions after Trump saying the election was rigged. Still waiting for that evidence three years hence.

Who was forced out of their position?

Pretty sure an audit of voting machines (+software) was denied because the SC was unwilling to give the election to Trump even if fraud was later found. It's a double moot point after the electoral votes were certified.

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Nancy Pelosi asks a question, doesn’t actually tell people to go out and commit violence like the orange buffoon.

I'm sure you have that quote from the orange guy handy, then.

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Louis Farrakhan isn’t a democratic politician.

He was very close to a lot of them, including Obama. Besides that there's Illhan "All about the Benjamins" Omar.

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Republicans also said make mandates were unnecessary for an airborne virus that was putting severe pressure on health services across the world, the effects of which are still felt, and pushed conspiracy theories that a billionaire philanthropist was putting microchips in all the vaccines.

Ah, yes, those ever-effective masks. The ones where the droplets just... go around them and enter the surrounding air. (Remember, Dr. "I am the Science" Fauci was the first to deny mask effectiveness because he wanted to save the N-95's for healthcare workers.)

Nobody quite to the level of Biden and Kamala was talking about microchips. More about the experimental mRNA tech, which is kind of what Biden/Kamala did.

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Tell me when a democratic president encouraged their supporters to March in the capitol because they were butthurt they lost an election and refused to sign off on sending people in to deal with it for hours?

I don't know of any president that told anyone to march "in" the capitol, but Trump approved troops days before (because he thought antifa would harass his followers,) and was turned down.

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Harris and Biden being cautious over vaccines approved by a man who suggest sunlight and bleach should be investigated as means of dealing with the virus, and constantly failed against expert advice during the pandemic is… I mean common sense doesn’t cover it really.

Sunlight and bleach? You mean UV light and unspecified disinfectant?

Expert advice? No, none of the "experts" had a clue. Trump shut down travel from China early (but not early enough) despite being told it was unnecessary and that he was a xenophobe for it. (Meanwhile, Pelosi said come on down to Chinatown.)

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Right. Burisma being corrupt has… what to do with Joe Biden? I mean we’re back to the laptop here. Hunter getting a job because he happens to have the family name “Biden” doesn’t mean Joe Biden is corrupt. Unless of course your argument is that Europe, the IMF, and anti-corruption NGOs in Ukraine were also in on trying to keep Hunter away from prosecution?

It strains credibility when Joe says he never talked business with Hunter when they're photographed together with Hunter's business partners.

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Biden can come up with any justification he wants to get others on board with his decision. His family stood to gain from the successor that we now know ended the investigations with no serious charges.

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I mean, just looking at the Matt Gaetz wikipedia page…
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On April 9, 2021, the House Ethics Committee opened an investigation into allegations that Gaetz "may have engaged in sexual misconduct and/or illicit drug use, shared inappropriate images or videos on the House floor, misused state identification records, converted campaign funds to personal use, and/or accepted a bribe, improper gratuity, or impermissible gift".[282] The committee deferred its investigation at the request of the Justice Department, but resumed it in June 2023.[283]
Sounds like a saint.

Could've sworn the goalposts were at "party unilaterally looked away from rapist" a second ago...

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Tom Tuberville, the Republican refusing to confirm hundreds of appointments to mikitary leadership positions over a policy they have of paying for travel to get abortions, until very recently said that white nationalists weren’t racists, but just American. It also took

Later that day, his Congressional staff released a statement that said Tuberville "was being skeptical of the notion that there are white nationalists in the military, not that he believes they should be in the military."

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In short, yeah, Democrats are idiots, they’re human. Most assuredly the least bad option of the two choices available though.

In your opinion. The party of "always bigger government" isn't exactly appealing for a libertarian. The uniparty is bad enough without everyone jumping on board, thanks.



There are bits I missed. Trump legitimizing Kim as a tinpot dictator and making other tiny dictators realise the way to be taken seriously is to develop nuclear weapons.

The nukes legitimized him. Kind of hard to ignore.

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Also Trump trashing the deal that stopped Iran developing nukes, like a genius.

We're past the date it was due to expire. They were still developing ballistic missiles and funding terror using the money we returned to them.



Also, painting on churches isn't campaigning.

(Nor is attempted arson. They also went after pregnancy centers, which force people to undergo anti-abortions, or something.)

Packing the court. Unconstitutional debt relief plan. Take your pick.

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Hyperbole my ass.

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Rather than adopting a new party platform,[94] the Republicans decided simply to recycle their 2016 party platform,[95] including several references to the "current president" and attacks on "the administration" (which in 2016 referred to Barack Obama and the Obama administration).[96] The decision was criticized by Republican activists.[97] In a tweet, Trump said that he would "prefer a new and updated platform, short form, if possible."[98]

The RNC did not do this, just issuing a one-page document stating opposition to the "Obama/Biden administration" and supporting President Trump's instead.[99][100]

So by "'unilaterally support the president' and nothing else", you meant "support all the things the president ran on that are popular with the voting base" but stated in short form because someone was lazy and did a copy-paste, and still couldn't be bothered to write a new one after they were called out?

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Here's the NYMag, your favorite rag on the matter: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/republican-national-committee-2020-platform-trump.html

Funny.





I am not reading your link vomit.

Nobody asked. Don't talk to me or my links ever again.
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« Reply #51284 on: July 14, 2023, 05:43:53 am »

So many 'old faithful' arguments and selective interpretations. Which means that the counterarguments are just as clear.

Let's try just a couple of them, see where that leads.

He never quite said "inject bleach", but in a follow-up to reading (seemingly for the first time, the way he stared at it live on the podium) a powerpoint slide that said "...commonly available disinfectants (bleach & isopropyl alcohol) work to kill the virus", his spiel went as follows:
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And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? So it'd be interesting to check that. I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what.
Given how much of a pinch of salt we already must give to his basic understanding of... well, most things, it seems ...if he's not thinking at that very moment of directly injecting bleach then he's actually thinking of directly injecting alcohol. And isopropyl, at that. Already mildly poisonous if ingested, but someone else can tell you what it'd do to you if actually injected. (Though propan-2-ol isn't miscible in salt solution so maybe that's a use for that pinch I mentioned!?! If that's not to further rub it into the wound!) That's really got to be a Grade-A mis-step to rival almost all other comparable mis-steps when ostensibly trying to give life-saving public guidance.


It might seem fairly benign in context on the other matter:
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We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.
...rousing, maybe, rather than rabble-rousing.

Except for having already assembled the crowd under words such as "show up and fight..." (highly ambiguous, arguably) and Rudy's actual message of "Let’s have trial by combat" (possibly figurative, but does the intended audience think that?).

At one point he does say "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard", but that was perhaps the one time he talked of peace in the build-up (compared with many 'fighting words'). After the mob had already smashed into the Capitol he did exhort them (via Twitter, as if that was going to do much in that moment) to "stay peaceful". Stay? Yeah. So does that set the bar at what he considers 'peace'?

Again, you could perhaps say more verbal incompetance (or incontinance) than carefully constructed instructions of a deeply worrying nature. Shall we just call him a fool, on these two issues? I don't think I could be more charitable than that, though.

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