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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50880 on: May 06, 2023, 03:02:30 pm »

There is a missing panel for when they realize that their whole life is already on and controlled by their phone.
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« Reply #50881 on: May 07, 2023, 03:00:57 am »

I still don't know what blockchain is
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« Reply #50882 on: May 07, 2023, 04:09:04 am »

I still don't know what blockchain is
It's a thing whereby data can be safely distributed around in a partially or wholly cryptographically secure manner such that any proof of its original validity is effectively carried through to later versions of it, without necessarily exposing the more private details, nor allowing any significant scope for undetectable retroactive revision. It essentially sets up a trust-inheritence, within which transactional amendments may be recorded and accepted by others who have access to that trusting network, all without the need for a centralised (or even coordinating) authority beyond whatever is required to operate the current peer-to-peer network at any given time so that unintended chain-forking does not happen; though intentional forking is entirely permissable and may even be useful in establishing further blockchains with completely different purposes and aims.

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« Reply #50883 on: May 07, 2023, 09:53:20 am »

At a fundamental level, it's a hash chain. You have a one-way hash function H(x) and a public initial hash h0. You then generate the next hash by combining the old hash with some public data m. Essentially, hn+1 = H(hn||m).

The one-way nature of the hash function ensures that finding the inverse function H-1(h) is mathematically infeasible. Not only is it infeasible to find two inputs that generate the same hash (collision resistance), it's also infeasible to find a second pre-image of a known hash and its (public) pre-image (second pre-image resistance). One-way functions are also resistant to finding a pre-image of a known hash (pre-image resistance), but since that pre-image is usually public anyway it's not that important for the operation of a blockchain (though incredibly important for blind signatures and zero-knowledge proofs, which are often implemented on blockchains).

Blockchains make use of this property to ensure that a distributed database of mi, divided into blocks, cannot be easily modified. Each block is essentially write-once. For each block, the mi are combined into a Merkle hash tree (or some other structure), the root of which is hashed with a nonce to produce the block hash (also to prevent replay attacks), hence block hash chain --> blockchain.

Due to their distributed nature, blockchains must necessarily also come with a protocol that provides rules for accepting blocks, such as only accepting hashes from the longest chain or the chain with greatest "weight". Some chains, e.g. Bitcoin and similar PoW chains, also only accept hashes with a numerical value below 2k. Here, k comes to represent the level of difficulty in finding an acceptable block hash. The Bitcoin protocol, for instance, aims to keep the difficulty such that a block is accepted roughly once every ten minutes (to the consternation of many that desire lower latency, and indirectly those that desire higher throughput).

Ultimately, a blockchain is a distributed write-once database that makes use of a protocol and clever mathematics to ensure the data integrity of the database.

Cryptocurrencies serve as decentralized game-theoretical incentives to guard against majority-dishonest maintainers of the blockchain. Maintainers are spending resources storing, verifying, and validating, after all.
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« Reply #50884 on: May 07, 2023, 01:49:53 pm »

I remember this post when it was a single paragraph. :P
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« Reply #50885 on: May 07, 2023, 03:19:22 pm »

I still don't know what blockchain is

To give you a third, slightly different explanation to confuse you further --

The purpose of a blockchain is to have a consistent, decentralized public ledger. Basically a mass record that can be added to but can't be modified retroactively.

When the ledger is added to, the ledger must be exchanged between those that have the latest version and those that don't yet have it. The way this is accomplished securely, without letting tampered-with versions be spread about, is twofold. Firstly by having each regularly-sized section of record data ("block") in the ledger refer to the content of the previous one (hence "chain"). Then if a bad actor tries to share a retroactively modified version of the blockchain, they have to change not just the one section of records of interest, but all future sections of records too, so the back-referrals look correct and their version will be accepted. Thus if a recipient is able to say "um, no, this data here is not trustworthy" for ANY section of data out of the many that have been changed, the bad actor will not be able to give out their version. In this way future blocks protect past blocks, and so older data on a blockchain is more secure.

Then, secondly, the way any recipient decides whether a block of data is trustworthy or not is by looking at the amount of "proof of work" attached to it. "Proof of work" means proof that somebody out there labored intensively in the name of the validity of this block. (What the work is doesn't matter, it just has to consume scarce resources and produce a result verifiably associated with that block; this is what "miners" do.) Then, assuming there are more good actors than bad actors on the network, correct data has more people and thus more computational power behind it. If each recipient keeps the version which has more proof of work, then they should keep the correct data.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50886 on: May 07, 2023, 05:02:23 pm »

Mine for bitcoins?  Why not mine for some bitches instead.
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« Reply #50887 on: May 07, 2023, 06:03:21 pm »

Mine for bitcoins?  Why not mine for some bitches instead.

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« Reply #50888 on: May 08, 2023, 05:04:16 am »

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/5/8/thailands-cannabis-industry-says-us-growers-are-eating-their-lunch

If I may make a suggestion, I think that this is a bad sign about the way the legalized marihuana industry is heading. I heavily support legalization but I also think that having large growers and very limited liscences of permits issued at high fees will lead to an industry dominated by a favored few rather than being a profitable sideline for larger numbers of people. For example, in my state there is a limit on the number of plants allowed grown without a commercial liscence due to the successful ballot mandating this clear as day. However the smallest tiers of commercial liscences cost at least several thousand dollars; I have heard it has decreased slightly to around "merely" $5000 to apply for the permit, which unless it has changed can be denied with no refund. This pricing was put in place by the state Congress as required by ballot, however it seems to be structured in a way by state Republicans (who controlled the congress at the time) to favor those both wealthy (due to the cost) and favored enough (due to local officialdom having say on allowance of permitting) to purchase a liscence and be granted permission. There is also a testing requirement to bring it to market, though I find this less than onerous and even useful should it be affordable.for small grows and not used as a price wall to hinder small growers. Having not looked into the pricing for this service, I do not know whether batch testing prices are too high for small (non-commercial) producers, if it were to become an option for them to participate in the market.

In an example of how silly this may be getting, my town had a public meeting regarding the issuance of permits; in this instance a young couple wished to open a small dispensary after a large dispensary was approved to a local businessmen. At the meeting a scion of a local wealthy family (not the couple the meeting was about) argued there that he had formed a group with retired military and of all people police and corrections officers to lobby for liscencing in the area. This actually aligns with my own thoughts on the matter, however this group appeared to be lobbying for exclusionary permitting of commercial grows by argueing that security should be the standard for the granting of permits. However ironically this was framed at the meeting in the form of relation to firearms experience and the need of such when granting permits, when it is quite illegal to involve firearms in relation to state legalized marihuana production and sales.

I believe that encouraging small scale production is of greater interest to the public than creating a gated system of commercial growers; I have no issues with commercial grows unless the permitting process is financially difficult for the poor or exclusionary of those not of a favored class. I have linked the story above due to my worry that it is also a repurcussion of bad behavior by large commercial ventures. Also in my opinion it may be a bad idea to favor in permitting those in charge (or formerly in charge) of enforcing cultivation and distribution laws, though that is not directly relevant to the link and is more of a potential local issue should this argument succeed; whether it is taking root outside of my local area I do not know. Should the permits not be exclusionary through favoring of such esteemed members of society as law enforcement, I would have little concern with this as they too should not be excluded, though I'd advise that smuggling into prisons by staff has been a long standing issue in the US (As a compromise to correct some forms of smuggling I'd be fine with giving prisoners access to recreational or medical marihuana or THC products though that's adding a burden to their outside the walls loved ones more than likely unless prison wages are increased, and I don't vouch for it as workable as I expect sales of marihuana to prisoners would not be a popular stance at all; even marital conjugal visits are barred in at least some places for example).

While I am not familiar with NY state law, one thing I saw in news articles that I agreed with was granting permits or liscences as a first priority to those who had been convincted of prior marihuana offences. I don't know how well that is turning out, but I appreciate the spirit of that idea. I've read that unliscenced dispensaries are growing to be a problem in NYC and are a target of crimes including robbery, but I am not sure how those came to be in the first place and I am not sure if it's being somewhat overblown as part of the crime panic being used for political reasons.

In my town, after many years of refusing to consider permitting/liscences, a somewhat influential businessman has been granted permission and even some local and state funding (to renovate a spacious building that was previously abandoned) to open a dispensary and restaurant. I find no problems with this, as it would be a marked improvement of the situation. However I am worried that this sort of policy (regarding the permission side rather than the grants of money which in this instance are related to community improvement and renovation rather than being related to operating a marihuana business), if limited to persons of this favorable aspect, could lead to a monopoly and that even supplying the distribution monopoly will be pushed out of reach of the average person in favor of allied commercial grows operated by favored classes. I believe that this approach could lead to further turbulence as indicated in the link above, as well as ending in stillbirth an industry that could feasibly be entered into as a sideline occupation at low cost and that could otherwise bring profit to the less wealthy in addition to the well-established. An argument against this is that further expansion of access could cause over production and drive down prices, however I feel that large commercial grows with thousands of plants are more likely to be drivers of this than small growers, thus I suggest that commercial grows should be for countering a void in local or state supply from lack of participation or capacity by small growers rather than a mandate for the opposite.

I'm not against commercial grows, and I think the permitting for grows should be made open to more people by lowering the permitting fees substantially; however cirumstances like in the link above should be a red line. I do not think that replicating Big Tobacco is the right course of action. I think commercial grows should be intended as a remedy for a lack of supply in the local (or even the state) market, not used to over produce and then to undercut local growers whether domestic local or via export to put distant local growers out of business. Small grows are very limited or banned in their ability to participate in the market with how it's structured in my state from what I've read on the matter. In regard to distribution, affordable if not cheap liscences for distribution of relatively small amounts may be a good idea in addition to small grower sales to dispensary clearinghouses, though whether this is feasible with testing costs I do not know; I think after having used TurboTax that taxation and required records could be handled with an app in the modern times. I do think that quality testing is a good standard, however if it costs too much for a person to test a small number of home-grown plants (assuming this could be brought to market) it's simply another barrier that favors commercial growers who can afford these expensive liscences where such testing makes sense financially under expensive testing costs (of which I am unaware whether it is or not currently prohibitively priced). I think for testing the best result would be to still require testing for legalized sales of any scale, but at a cost of testing per batch that is well within reach of small growers as small as a dozen plants which happens to be the recreational grow limit in my state. Home test kits may be a good innovation as well if such is possible to create with efficacy, should they too be affordable and particularly if they are within easy reach of both a purchaser and a producer.
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« Reply #50889 on: May 08, 2023, 11:16:18 am »

What surprised me most about that article is that Thai growers ask 9 dollars per gram. That is really, really high for wholesale price.
Over here, dutch coffeeshops buy their weed for somewhere in between 2.5 and 7 euros per gram wholesale (depending on quality), and sell it for 8-15 euros per gram retail. (NOTE: growing weed is still illegal in the Netherlands, only selling it retail is allowed)
No one would buy weed from growers for 9 euros / dollars per gram.
I think the Thai weed growers are still asking old prices from back when it still was illegal a year ago.
The US is not selling their weed too cheap, Thai growers are selling it way too expensive.


For the rest, I totally agree with your analysis of the risks of monopolisation. Same thing is probably going to happen here, with the state granting a few licenses to huge companies to grow weed.
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« Reply #50890 on: May 08, 2023, 02:27:17 pm »

Should be the inverse. Illegal to sell but not to grow, so if you want to smoke you gotta grow it yourself. :p
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« Reply #50891 on: May 08, 2023, 02:50:25 pm »

While I'd still hate that, I do really appreciate when people grow locally (not that I know anyone who does that! ahaha!).  Industrial operations lead to a lot of perverse incentives, maaaaan.

Me, I'm just glad delta-8 is legal and easily accessible... here.  Apparently that varies from state to state.  It eases anxiety and gives me appetite (which I want) but doesn't seem to have the mild "hallucinogenic" effect of delta-9/regular THC.  It's much more effective than alcohol for helping me sleep, that's for sure.
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« Reply #50892 on: May 08, 2023, 04:08:05 pm »

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/5/8/thailands-cannabis-industry-says-us-growers-are-eating-their-lunch

If I may make a suggestion, I think that this is a bad sign about the way the legalized marihuana industry is heading. I heavily support legalization but I also think that having large growers and very limited liscences of permits issued at high fees will lead to an industry dominated by a favored few rather than being a profitable sideline for larger numbers of people. For example, in my state there is a limit on the number of plants allowed grown without a commercial liscence due to the successful ballot mandating this clear as day. However the smallest tiers of commercial liscences cost at least several thousand dollars; I have heard it has decreased slightly to around "merely" $5000 to apply for the permit, which unless it has changed can be denied with no refund. This pricing was put in place by the state Congress as required by ballot, however it seems to be structured in a way by state Republicans (who controlled the congress at the time) to favor those both wealthy (due to the cost) and favored enough (due to local officialdom having say on allowance of permitting) to purchase a liscence and be granted permission. There is also a testing requirement to bring it to market, though I find this less than onerous and even useful should it be affordable.for small grows and not used as a price wall to hinder small growers. Having not looked into the pricing for this service, I do not know whether batch testing prices are too high for small (non-commercial) producers, if it were to become an option for them to participate in the market.

In an example of how silly this may be getting, my town had a public meeting regarding the issuance of permits; in this instance a young couple wished to open a small dispensary after a large dispensary was approved to a local businessmen. At the meeting a scion of a local wealthy family (not the couple the meeting was about) argued there that he had formed a group with retired military and of all people police and corrections officers to lobby for liscencing in the area. This actually aligns with my own thoughts on the matter, however this group appeared to be lobbying for exclusionary permitting of commercial grows by argueing that security should be the standard for the granting of permits. However ironically this was framed at the meeting in the form of relation to firearms experience and the need of such when granting permits, when it is quite illegal to involve firearms in relation to state legalized marihuana production and sales.

I believe that encouraging small scale production is of greater interest to the public than creating a gated system of commercial growers; I have no issues with commercial grows unless the permitting process is financially difficult for the poor or exclusionary of those not of a favored class. I have linked the story above due to my worry that it is also a repurcussion of bad behavior by large commercial ventures. Also in my opinion it may be a bad idea to favor in permitting those in charge (or formerly in charge) of enforcing cultivation and distribution laws, though that is not directly relevant to the link and is more of a potential local issue should this argument succeed; whether it is taking root outside of my local area I do not know. Should the permits not be exclusionary through favoring of such esteemed members of society as law enforcement, I would have little concern with this as they too should not be excluded, though I'd advise that smuggling into prisons by staff has been a long standing issue in the US (As a compromise to correct some forms of smuggling I'd be fine with giving prisoners access to recreational or medical marihuana or THC products though that's adding a burden to their outside the walls loved ones more than likely unless prison wages are increased, and I don't vouch for it as workable as I expect sales of marihuana to prisoners would not be a popular stance at all; even marital conjugal visits are barred in at least some places for example).

While I am not familiar with NY state law, one thing I saw in news articles that I agreed with was granting permits or liscences as a first priority to those who had been convincted of prior marihuana offences. I don't know how well that is turning out, but I appreciate the spirit of that idea. I've read that unliscenced dispensaries are growing to be a problem in NYC and are a target of crimes including robbery, but I am not sure how those came to be in the first place and I am not sure if it's being somewhat overblown as part of the crime panic being used for political reasons.

In my town, after many years of refusing to consider permitting/liscences, a somewhat influential businessman has been granted permission and even some local and state funding (to renovate a spacious building that was previously abandoned) to open a dispensary and restaurant. I find no problems with this, as it would be a marked improvement of the situation. However I am worried that this sort of policy (regarding the permission side rather than the grants of money which in this instance are related to community improvement and renovation rather than being related to operating a marihuana business), if limited to persons of this favorable aspect, could lead to a monopoly and that even supplying the distribution monopoly will be pushed out of reach of the average person in favor of allied commercial grows operated by favored classes. I believe that this approach could lead to further turbulence as indicated in the link above, as well as ending in stillbirth an industry that could feasibly be entered into as a sideline occupation at low cost and that could otherwise bring profit to the less wealthy in addition to the well-established. An argument against this is that further expansion of access could cause over production and drive down prices, however I feel that large commercial grows with thousands of plants are more likely to be drivers of this than small growers, thus I suggest that commercial grows should be for countering a void in local or state supply from lack of participation or capacity by small growers rather than a mandate for the opposite.

I'm not against commercial grows, and I think the permitting for grows should be made open to more people by lowering the permitting fees substantially; however cirumstances like in the link above should be a red line. I do not think that replicating Big Tobacco is the right course of action. I think commercial grows should be intended as a remedy for a lack of supply in the local (or even the state) market, not used to over produce and then to undercut local growers whether domestic local or via export to put distant local growers out of business. Small grows are very limited or banned in their ability to participate in the market with how it's structured in my state from what I've read on the matter. In regard to distribution, affordable if not cheap liscences for distribution of relatively small amounts may be a good idea in addition to small grower sales to dispensary clearinghouses, though whether this is feasible with testing costs I do not know; I think after having used TurboTax that taxation and required records could be handled with an app in the modern times. I do think that quality testing is a good standard, however if it costs too much for a person to test a small number of home-grown plants (assuming this could be brought to market) it's simply another barrier that favors commercial growers who can afford these expensive liscences where such testing makes sense financially under expensive testing costs (of which I am unaware whether it is or not currently prohibitively priced). I think for testing the best result would be to still require testing for legalized sales of any scale, but at a cost of testing per batch that is well within reach of small growers as small as a dozen plants which happens to be the recreational grow limit in my state. Home test kits may be a good innovation as well if such is possible to create with efficacy, should they too be affordable and particularly if they are within easy reach of both a purchaser and a producer.
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« Reply #50893 on: May 09, 2023, 04:54:56 am »

Do you have links for that? I haven't read anything about Hochul that is unusual for the moderate democrats' wing to partake of. Adams had friends who benefitted in the gambling and marihuana liscencing but for the latter at least it was a person convicted of prior marihuana offenses, and I didn't read of any financial kickbacks though perhaps I missed it as my source is the NYT's New York tab and I don't check it frequently. I do think there is an odd political situation in at least NYC in the way it's appointed positions are sometimes structured to reward supporters, but I don't think I've seen things to suggest direct kickbacks. Maybe campaign contributions but that's relatively normal across the board even if I disagree with it and think it's a root cause of dysfunction and stagnation in many places.
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« Reply #50894 on: May 09, 2023, 02:31:42 pm »

Donald Trump has been found liable for defamation and sexual abuse of E Jean Carroll in a civil jury trial. He was found to not be liable for rape.
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