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[hector13]

I mean l, these rioters were so violent the police asked them to leave before bodily removing them.

Hardened criminals there likes.

[hector13]

Double post for different thing:

Disney sue DeSantis.

It is rare, the days I support massive corporations in lawsuits.

[McTraveller]

Yeah, I'd say that fits the dictionary definition of fascism.

[EuchreJack]

Meanwhile, in Montana, fascism.

Keep Fighting, Representative Zooey Zephyr!

As for DeSantis, I don't think he's got a legit shot for President.  It seems to me that when a Governor sabotages his own State to make himself look better for the Presidency, it invariably backfires at some point.  It's also probably kinda stupid to pick a fight with Disney...

I still maintain that what killed President Trump's re-election, besides his own mannerisms being completely wrong for the time period that he served, was his War on the Media.  The Media didn't take kindly to that, and they buried him.  No journalist would likely admit that openly, but I wager they say it in private.
There is a reason that the Media is called the Fourth Estate.
As for how this relates to DeSantis, the grandkids and grandparents LOVE Disney, and Disney has something more powerful that Journalists: Entertainers.

[hector13]

Yeah that was my thought too; Disney is one of the biggest employers in your state, why are you making it more expensive for them to do business?

Politicians are a weird bunch though. I recall the early 2016 primaries in which Scott Walker, former Wisconsin governor, got asked how he would deal with ISIS, and his proud response was how he dealt with public sector trade unionists.

That got met with a backlash of him comparing Americans to terrorists, and I was like “no, he was comparing trade unionists to terrorists.” and thankfully his campaign went little farther, and he got voted out at the next election.

[Lord Shonus]

Disney isn't merely the biggest employer in his state. They're the biggest employer in his state, a financial juggernaut with economic power that rivals some nations, a beloved cultural icon for the last century, and have long maintained a level of legal firepower that can crush just about anybody into a thin paste. Even if Culture War was the winning strategy he thinks it is (which it is not - all evidence points to it being basically suicide politically), only a complete lunatic tangles with the Mouse.


EDIT because I just saw this:

The Biden administration has filed a Federal lawsuit against the State of Tennessee, claiming that the recently past ban on gender-affirming care violates the Constitution.

[Rolan7]

Zooey Zephyr, duly elected representative of Montanta has been silenced for weeks now.
The "free speech" crowd seems oddly silent on this issue, at least on Twitter.
I welcome them proving me wrong.

Honestly, there's some really bad shit happening in Missouri, Tennessee, and don't get me started on Florida omgs.

America.  What are we doing?
https://www.democracynow.org/2023/4/28/zooey_zephyr_montana

REP. ZOOEY ZEPHYR: If you disallow the use of the medical care that is accepted by every major medical association, if you disallow that care and don’t allow people to have access to that, the only therapy left is either, A, meaningless or, B, conversion therapy, which is torture. … If you are forcing a trans child to go through puberty when they are trans, that is tantamount to torture. And this body should be ashamed. And if you vote yes on this amendment and yes on this bill … if you vote yes on this bill and yes on these amendments, I hope the next time there’s an invocation, when you bow your heads in prayer, you see the blood on your hands.

These words were called "calls for violence".  THEY are inappropriate!  They seek the death that SCIENCE says will come to people like me!

You don't have to agree.  But surely she deserves to be heard- and she is not.  She has been barred from speaking because of her criticism of a bill.
Nothing more.

[hector13]

Goodness me Rolan no.

She’s being silenced because she‘s transgender, not because of criticism of a bill. They also said, as mentioned earlier in the thread, that protesters shouting from the public galleries in support of her were violent far left rioters worse than the Jan 6th attackers.

They have no interest in treating her like a human being, she’s a political punching bag.

[Vector]

I'm getting my butt off of Twitter. It sucks because I'm so used to reading Twitter/enjoy it, but the vibe on much of it is totally indistinguishable from KiwiFarms or Stormfront now (spoken as a person who has read a thread or two on both websites out of morbid curiosity).

I don't really know why I'm posting this in AmeriPol. Maybe just cuz.

[da_nang]

Censure in the Legislature, like impeachment or expulsion (or votes of no confidence in parliamentary systems), is an entirely political process. Facts don't matter, you can be censured, impeached, or expelled for any reason as long as you have the votes for it, unless stated otherwise by the relevant constitution (good luck if your country has parliamentary sovereignty).

It's one of those loopholes the Founders figured no-one would abuse, because the elected were assumed to be "honorable men" operating in good faith.

[Lord Shonus]

It's one of those loopholes the Founders figured no-one would abuse, because the elected were assumed to be "honorable men" operating in good faith.

Not so much that, but that the possibility of abuse isn't big enough to outweigh the consequences of not having it. Not being able to censure somebody because they've managed to stay just on the safe side of whatever line you drew is an invitation for people to dance on said line.

[Rolan7]

EDIT because I just saw this:

The Biden administration has filed a Federal lawsuit against the State of Tennessee, claiming that the recently past ban on gender-affirming care violates the Constitution.

Oh hey this is cool at least.  He really dropped the ball by letting trans sports be a state issue, and that's going to hurt a lot of people, but this one is life-or-death so thank fuck he's stepping in.

[Duuvian]

I just read the first of a new raft (or re-introduced) internet bills and I need to warn that I think very much that the one I have read so far at least very much shoots the democratic party right square in it's own foot. This one in fact is quite infuriating, if I were to break it down please expect angry cursing not appropriate for a corporate boardroom or a place of worship as well as calls for more serious primary candidates.

[Frumple]

Yeah, I haven't heard anything good from that direction. I expect I never will until the average age of congress drops below fifty, and maybe not even then

... though for what it's worth, do remember the GOP has the house, now. They get to introduce shit, too, though I can't recall what, if any, 'net related horseshit was pushed through primarily by them lately. Congress in general being geriatric fucks with bipartisan stupidity and/or malice on internet related issues, it's not worth much.

[Dostoevsky]

As a reminder, both parties (well, any member of congress regardless of party) is always free to introduce legislation. In the average congress (a 2 year period) you get between 10,000 to 20,000 bills introduced, the vast majority of which go nowhere. And, indeed, a pretty decent number of those bills are pretty extreme, either because members are trying to push the envelope over time or because they're checking off a box for a donor or the public.

Not to say there's no chance of a random bill moving, or that one shouldn't be vigilant about what's being introduced, but I'd suggest not getting too anxious about introduction on its own without further context / suggestion of movement.