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[Dorsidwarf]

Nevermind the more tangential aspects (if the killer had been black or middle eastern, it's fairly likely they wouldn't have even survived to reach court, nevermind seen an acquittal if he had been chummy with ISIS instead of the proud boys), there was things related to it directly involved that just got bungled.

I must state that I've never really liked this argument because, well, yes. But so what? We can't solve hideous injustice by applying an equal injustice to everyone not affected by the dregs of the USA and their blue jumpsuits.

[MrRoboto75]

also the proud boys are political, not racist. in fact their current chairman is afro-cuban.

Nazi Germany couldn't have been racists.  in fact their leader wasn't even aryan.

[Frumple]

Nevermind the more tangential aspects (if the killer had been black or middle eastern, it's fairly likely they wouldn't have even survived to reach court, nevermind seen an acquittal if he had been chummy with ISIS instead of the proud boys), there was things related to it directly involved that just got bungled.

I must state that I've never really liked this argument because, well, yes. But so what? We can't solve hideous injustice by applying an equal injustice to everyone not affected by the dregs of the USA and their blue jumpsuits.

I'unno if that's actually true, though. Far as I'm aware, most of the time the injust shit starts splattering over people more equitably, our political system somehow figures out a way to deal with it (at least for the people it cares about, anyway). Lot of our drug laws show that pretty clearly, just as an idle example, somehow when the middle to upper class drugs of choice start being considered, sentencing and judicial processes suddenly turn significantly more lenient.

Enough people get spiked by the broken shards of our justice system, maybe something might actually happen to fix it, y'know?

[JimboM12]

also the proud boys are political, not racist. in fact their current chairman is afro-cuban. im almost sure some of them are white supremist on the side but kyle himself showed no overt white supremacy in his actions.

Nazi Germany couldn't have been racists.  in fact their leader wasn't even aryan.

please use my full quote. i didnt deny their members are racist, just that the movement itself was started politically and is mainly political.

also hitler was a manlet

[Random_Dragon]

The real interesting bit here is gonna be if prosecution makes any effort to appeal or any solid objection to the outcome. Not likely to succeed given it'd be hard to get anything to stick, but also a reasonable reaction given what a shitshow the judge made everything turn into.

If the prosecution just takes it without saying anything that'd be a reasonable sign that they people suspecting they were actively trying to sabotage the case might be on to something.

[Lord Shonus]

You can't appeal an acquittal.

[Frumple]

Pretty much. There's niche cases where something similar comes up, but they don't appear to apply here.

If there's anything related to this that goes through the legal system, at this point, it'll be for charges the prosecutors didn't pursue or civil suits.

The prosecution was both hamstrung by the judge and notably bloody incompetent, if not outright intentionally throwing the case. US judicial system being what it is, neither of those is particularly unusual for judges (who are often even worse than this one) or prosecutors (who so often don't even need to find their own ass that they forget how to use a flashlight and a map when they do).

Goddamn reprehensible and a condemnation of our judicial system, but not unusual

[Vector]

personally i have problems with lynching this kid for being stupid

There is a world of difference between facing zero (0) consequences for his actions and lynching. The phrase "being stupid" is also doing some very heavy lifting here.


As I told my friend, it's definitely a weird feeling to be less employable as a highly credentialed trans person than a 19 year old who shot a couple people dead. I hope he reads and studies a lot in order to justify that privilege in some way.

[nenjin]

The problem with leaving it at self-defense is that it doesn't take in the entire context. It's not self-defense when you run into a conflict ready to fight. If the tables had been flipped and Rittenhouse, 17, running around a riot with an AR-15 and getting blown away by another self-proclaimed "helper", I'd be saying the same thing. I really wish the prosecution had laid down more charges like reckless endangerment, because the fact people are dead aside, that's what this is. Reckless people going into an unstable situation and shit happens. It's like walking into a bar, seeing other people fighting and pulling your gun. Self-defense has been for a while now the excuse, the bald-faced lie to what's really going on. People want to fight and they want to kill with impunity. If we keep letting gun owners shield themselves with "self-defense" when it's patently obvious they made the decision to insert themselves into a violent situation, we're asking for more and more of it. What if Rittenhouse had managed to spray someone else who wasn't armed and wasn't attacking him, in his act of "self-defense." Would we be calling it the same thing and excusing more lose of life for his right to defend himself from a battle he sought? Is it self-defense when you want war?

[Lord Shonus]

Even if it meets the standard of reckless endangerment, the judge threw out any evidence that the prosecution could have used to support that charge.

[dragdeler]

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[Iduno]

The problem with leaving it at self-defense is that it doesn't take in the entire context. It's not self-defense when you run into a conflict ready to fight.

Yeah. Pre-meditated "self-defense" is an obvious lie.

[Bumber]

i was on the fence until i saw the video and wondered why the stupid kid left the auto shop and put himself in that situation

To put out a fire, apparently? (A fire that one of the people he ended up shooting had started.)

The problem with leaving it at self-defense is that it doesn't take in the entire context. It's not self-defense when you run into a conflict ready to fight.

He was asked by a friend to guard his used-car lot, or w/e. If someone has threatened to "fucking kill" him, and he's the one being chased down, then it is in fact self-defense.

[Lord Shonus]

The owner of the lot has testified under oath that he did not, in fact, ask Rittenhouse to guard the car lot, and in fact explicitly told him not to.

[nenjin]

The problem with leaving it at self-defense is that it doesn't take in the entire context. It's not self-defense when you run into a conflict ready to fight.

He was asked by a friend to guard his used-car lot, or w/e. If someone has threatened to "fucking kill" him, and he's the one being chased down, then it is in fact self-defense.

Nobody asked him to fucking be there. Nobody fucking wanted him there. The only person that wanted or needed him to be there was himself.