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[MetalSlimeHunt]

Any unnecessary barrier to voting is automatically an act of voter suppression. As voter fraud in the modern US is both negligible and nearly-impossible to get away with doing, adding a "Papers, please" law is a suppression tactic. No other reason is ever cited for why such a law should be necessary, either.

That it's a Jim Crow-style tactic is just down to the GOP having a white supremacist ideology.

If we in this country were really so concerned about electoral corruption, we'd attack the actual sources of it in the US - deprivation of polling places, SuperPACs, and all the other affairs that leave us perpetually under Republican rule even when the Democrats allegedly control the government and Republicans make up no more than 35% of the American population. That's liberal democracy for you, I guess.

[Vector]

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[martinuzz]

Some form of identification means is nescessary to prevent massive election fraud. But yeah, it should be freely available to everyone, it should never be a barrier.

[KittyTac]

I don't really mind voter ID. Most other democracies have it.

Yeah you show up at the school or the library or some other public building that serves as polling station, with a passport and and they cross you off a list of the local inhabitants once you handed in your ballot.


NOT

You stay in line 40km from home for hours to be told you got no drivers license, or somebody who has the same name voted allready so go fuck yourself. It's super easy to identify people ever heard of a national registry number?  "No of course not what kind of nanny state sheeple would want to be numbered, we have social security numbers that must be kept secret in order to avoid identity theft." Why are you giving that joke country so much credit.

Then that's a cultural problem and not a problem with voter registration itself. Americans need to get over it.

Some form of identification means is nescessary to prevent massive election fraud. But yeah, it should be freely available to everyone, it should never be a barrier.

Agreed.

Any unnecessary barrier to voting is automatically an act of voter suppression. As voter fraud in the modern US is both negligible and nearly-impossible to get away with doing, adding a "Papers, please" law is a suppression tactic. No other reason is ever cited for why such a law should be necessary, either.

That it's a Jim Crow-style tactic is just down to the GOP having a white supremacist ideology.

If we in this country were really so concerned about electoral corruption, we'd attack the actual sources of it in the US - deprivation of polling places, SuperPACs, and all the other affairs that leave us perpetually under Republican rule even when the Democrats allegedly control the government and Republicans make up no more than 35% of the American population. That's liberal democracy for you, I guess.

Eh. I disagree. As martinuzz said it's necessary to prevent possible fraud.

[Arx]

I don't really mind voter ID. Most other democracies have it.

Yeah you show up at the school or the library or some other public building that serves as polling station, with a passport and and they cross you off a list of the local inhabitants once you handed in your ballot.


NOT

You stay in line 40km from home for hours to be told you got no drivers license, or somebody who has the same name voted allready so go fuck yourself. It's super easy to identify people ever heard of a national registry number?  "No of course not what kind of nanny state sheeple would want to be numbered, we have social security numbers that must be kept secret in order to avoid identity theft." Why are you giving that joke country so much credit.

Then that's a cultural problem and not a problem with voter registration itself. Americans need to get over it.

This is sort of like saying the fact that most Americans can't afford health care is a cultural problem and Americans need to get over it. Or the prison system is a cultural problem and Americans need to get over it. Or police brutality is a cultural problem and Americans need to get over it.

It's a systemic infrastructural problem at best. You can't just "get over" voting law being messed up, sometimes (usually? IDK) on purpose by legislators placed in power by similarly messed up legislation.

[KittyTac]

I don't really mind voter ID. Most other democracies have it.

Yeah you show up at the school or the library or some other public building that serves as polling station, with a passport and and they cross you off a list of the local inhabitants once you handed in your ballot.


NOT

You stay in line 40km from home for hours to be told you got no drivers license, or somebody who has the same name voted allready so go fuck yourself. It's super easy to identify people ever heard of a national registry number?  "No of course not what kind of nanny state sheeple would want to be numbered, we have social security numbers that must be kept secret in order to avoid identity theft." Why are you giving that joke country so much credit.

Then that's a cultural problem and not a problem with voter registration itself. Americans need to get over it.

This is sort of like saying the fact that most Americans can't afford health care is a cultural problem and Americans need to get over it. Or the prison system is a cultural problem and Americans need to get over it. Or police brutality is a cultural problem and Americans need to get over it.

It's a systemic infrastructural problem at best. You can't just "get over" voting law being messed up, sometimes (usually? IDK) on purpose by legislators placed in power by similarly messed up legislation.

I was talking about the SSN thing. I think it's valid to use it in voter registration since as I understand it almost everyone has one and they're unique.

It is a cultural issue to not trust your own government with that (as long as it's kept secure). It's on them.

[Starver]

Some form of identification means is nescessary to prevent massive election fraud.

Well they[1] say Westminster is a whole lot of frauds, but there's really not much reason to believe that it actually is.

[1] Whichever 'they'(s) is(/are) currently upset about the situation. (Possibly mutually counterfactually!)

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[KittyTac]

Talking about Russia? Next election will be in 2024 since last election in 2018 terms were extended to 6 years.

Not like it matters, it's blatantly rigged. There's concrete video proof of it and harassment of opposition parties.

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[Iduno]

Some form of identification means is nescessary to prevent massive election fraud. But yeah, it should be freely available to everyone, it should never be a barrier.

I assume that's why we already have to register based on our name and address. Also needing to jump through all of the hoops necessary to get a driver's license or other ID first (most of which require other forms of ID, which is a great catch) would have been a huge barrier.

[TamerVirus]

I hear Russia is massing troops against the boarder of Ukraine. Show of force for political reasons? Could spell trouble...

[martinuzz]

Three days ago a few Russian jet fighters were caught over Dutch airspace and escorted out.
But that's nothing new. Russia has a longstanding tradition of probing NATO airspace for response times.
I haven't read anything in Dutch media about Russians on the Ukrainian border though.

[LordBaal]

Read the same thing too. Coincidently I used Crimea as part of a password yesterday.