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« Reply #41850 on: November 10, 2020, 10:10:50 pm »

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« Reply #41851 on: November 10, 2020, 10:12:11 pm »

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« Reply #41852 on: November 10, 2020, 10:13:11 pm »

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/white-republican-dean-browning-roasted-for-accidental-tweet-claiming-to-be-black-gay-guy/news-story/8d46a710b3b144ba5e43ec52f8b67d60

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An American politician has become the butt of jokes online following an awkward Twitter snafu.

Dean Browning is a white, former commissioner from Lehigh County in Pennsylvania – but he caused confusion after posting a tweet on Tuesday claiming to be a “black gay guy”.
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“I’m a black gay guy and I can personally say that Obama did nothing for me, my life only changed a little bit and it was for the worse,” Mr Browning’s account responded.

“Everything is so much better under Trump though.

“I feel respected – which I never do when Democrats are involved.”

This is what happens when you accidentally post your sock puppet content from your main account. Come on, he's a retired company executive and a politician, clearly he has enough money, if you're going to do something this dumb, get another phone for your fake accounts.
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« Reply #41853 on: November 10, 2020, 10:21:39 pm »

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« Reply #41854 on: November 11, 2020, 12:24:47 am »

Note how all the dictators and quasi-fascists who are pals with Trump and congratulated him on his 2016 win have been silent on the latest election. Russia, North Korea, Turkey and China, none of them have congratulated Biden. They're seething that their buddy lost.
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« Reply #41855 on: November 11, 2020, 12:28:14 am »

Erdogan finally pulled his finger out and congratulated Biden, several days after most others. I feel like we could interpret quite a bit from how quickly a state congratulated Biden or not.

(And alternatively; wtf Slovenia is doing).
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« Reply #41856 on: November 11, 2020, 12:31:31 am »

Also what's happening withe leadership purge at the Pentagon. Trump is apparently purging the military command and installing loyalists - an extremely troubling development.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/11/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-transition/index.html

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #41857 on: November 11, 2020, 01:05:56 am »

Yep, Civil War 2.0 electric bungaloo...  ::)
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« Reply #41858 on: November 11, 2020, 01:24:56 am »

While we're here, for those of you at home curious about whether there is voter fraud: The Times called election officials in every state and none reported voter fraud. From Kansas to Minnesota, from Ohio to Rhode Island.
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« Reply #41859 on: November 11, 2020, 02:16:59 am »

I've been pondering the relation of democratic viability to size of country for a while now, and it seems like an unsolvable problem. That is, without some kind of all-powerful overseer, like a supercomputer or something.

The way it seems to me is that if you have a large country like the United States, it is inevitable that the majority of the population will be located in a few large cities, while the remainder will be spread thinly everywhere else. These cities wind up being the most important in democracies due to harboring the greatest popular vote, so you get a system like the electoral college, which is meant to enfranchise the less populated territories at the cost of the enfranchisement of a larger number of people from more populated territories. Either way, people's consent to be governed is being infringed on.

From the perspective of the masses, you'd want your elected officials to have the largest constituency possible, so they are forced to focus on legislation that is utilitarian and garners the greatest good to the most people. Paradoxically though, you'd want your country to be small so your own vote matters the most, as it doesn't matter which way you vote if some massive glob of city slickers 1000 miles away are voting contrary to your interests and there's nothing you can do about it.

From the perspective of Elected Officials, you want the smallest constituency possible, as greatly satisfying the demands of a few small demographics is much easier than satisfying everyone. That's how you get things like dictators, as their constituency is themselves, their few partisan allies, and the military. Paradoxically, elected officials also want the largest country possible, as the potential for disenfranchising large portions of it is very high, giving them the maximum of power for the lowest cost as it were.

So I'm reluctant to think that large-scale democracies can exist in perpetuity. And that's ignoring things like climate change which do effect the largest number of people, but can't garner popular support because they don't effect the lives of individuals until it's too late.
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« Reply #41860 on: November 11, 2020, 02:26:58 am »

I'd say a 85% chance that after review of the votes and an audit (even with the late votes being cancelled), Biden will still win. Considering that even if there is fraud (apparently there's evidence of ballot boxes being stuffed) it's probably minor and unlikely to affect the result.

That's how I understand it at least. Maybe my friends (ranging from socialists to moderate conservatives) were wrong or something.

As for "allow people from countries with US military bases to vote in the US elections"... I'd say that's going way too far. Ideally whoever is in charge of America should be the matter of Americans.
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« Reply #41861 on: November 11, 2020, 02:28:56 am »

I'd put that more like 99.9999% chance he'll win. He's already won. The audit would have to flip multiple states to change the outcome, and in the swing states he picked up he has leads in the 10s of thousands. The odds of him losing now are in the "struck by lightning" range. There certainly isn't a 1/6 chance he's going to lose now. Those odds are valid to contemplate before the election, because polling is never 100% accurate, but once the actual votes are in, it would take a miracle to change it.

Some of the lawsuits involved for example 53 improperly filled-out ballots, and that's for a state where Biden is up by 12000. They'd have to come up with 240 identical lawsuits and win all of them to change the outcome. Lawsuits like that aren't seriously intended to change the outcome through review, they're purely for the optics to create doubt in the mind of the Trump loyalists who lap that stuff up. Like the QAnons, those people just go "there's a lawsuit so it's a thing" rather than actually reading the actual content of the lawsuit and realizing it's bullshit.

EDIT: as for the fake votes things, it's just silly. To do it on that scale without there being any obvious anomalies, there would have to be literally tens of thousands of people involved in this conspiracy, all slipping individual ballots into the stream none of whom ever blabs and none of whom ever fucks up. It's basically impossible that this could happen like that. Conspiracies that involved a handful of people get fucked up because someone gets drunk and blabs or boasts about it to someone else, and the coordination to do this on a national scale with thousands of participants without any trail of records, calls, emails, texts, is just impossible too.

EDIT2: Think about it this way: to pull this off (and in 2016 when Trump claimed it happened too) and leave no visible record of anything amiss would be an absolute work of genius, using completely unknown novel means of faking an election that only those people know how to pull off, carried out by thousands of people scattered around the country in complete control of the process, with absolute discipline and loyalty and perfect execution without any fuck-ups (lost phones, misdirected emails, overheard conversations etc), leaks or whistle-blowers - and there's a $1 million reward for evidence of voter fraud on offer, so complete loyalty and refusal to take the money - even under the eyes of Republican state apparatus in some cases. And ... this is the Democrats you're talking about. Highly organized super genius masterminds apparently. They do a great job of hiding it the rest of the time. Point being: even if it was theoretically possible to pull something like that off (which it probably is not), clearly the Democratic campaign organizers are not capable of doing that. Adding a third person to a secret plot is usually enough to derail things. Conspiracies that involve thousands, or entire classes of people (such as the theory that doctors made up Covid to get more money) are just nonsense. This election fraud thing is on the level of the moon landing hoax theories in terms of plausibility.
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« Reply #41862 on: November 11, 2020, 04:24:43 am »

Seems like you'd need block chains or something for verification
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And, before you suggest Blockchain...

https://xkcd.com/2030/

edit: ah... immediately Ninjaed on (re)posting that. I was just too eager to reply...


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but even then (I don't know anything about block chains) can't they be "mined"?
More like "the thing that can be mined can be "blockchained". (Upon which verification, the verification itself rewards with a chance of a transferable value arising from having fulfilled further such mining-options.)

I'm all for whimsy, but... nope!
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« Reply #41863 on: November 11, 2020, 05:56:58 am »

And now, for relevant educational maths: Why do Biden's votes not follow Benford's Law?
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« Reply #41864 on: November 11, 2020, 06:33:30 am »

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