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[MorleyDev]

"There's nothing that looks suspicious, which is in itself suspicious, and therefore must be fraud! My side didn't win!"

[Flying Dice]

Recounts will be grissly, get ready for those.

That's exactly it Starver. Also lol at the optimism that there wouldn't be conspiracies either way.

Recounts have historically never produced more than low triple digit vote shifts. WI is a 21k vote differential. NV is 12k with more votes to come in. Even Georgia is ~1k after the last batch and more are left. I'm just glad for the Georgia flip since it means a single faithless elector won't be able to fuck things up.

And yeah, there are lots of idiots screaming about fraud because the majority of mail-in ballots are Democrat voters. It's almost as if Trump has spent the last five-odd months screaming to his supporters that they can't trust mail-in voting (which is absolutely baseless, of course). It's also almost as if Democrat voters are more likely to be taking pandemic control measures more seriously than the people that keep coming to in-person rallies with no masks and no social distancing requirements. Likewise, it's almost as if there are massive numbers of working-class Democrat voters who would normally be forced to choose between taking a pay hit they can't afford vs. not getting to vote, all of whom are happy to be able to vote without impacting their ability to feed their family or make rent.

Tl;dr the mail-in disparity is 30% Trump being an idiot and convincing his base not to use it, 30% Trump voters not being worried about large in-person gatherings despite all evidence to the contrary, and 40% the fact that there are more Democrats than Republicans in this country and a lot of them are normally victims of voter suppression methods that mail-in voting does an end run around.

Like I've been saying to people elsewhere, it sure must feel bad to realize you couldn't win a single presidential election for a century or more to come without stopping millions of registered, legitimate American voters from casting ballots. The Republican party has been the party of "do something horrendous and then scream that the other guy is doing it" for decades, so it's no surprise to see so many Republicans crying about voting fraud.

[MorleyDev]

Hily shiz, I check the page out of curiosity: Pennsylvania just pulled ahead for Biden on the BBC map: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/us2020/results. Like I think I beat the BBCs breaking news post just pulled ahead.

gg everybody.

[feelotraveller]

Don't cheer too quickly.  Assuming Biden gets the initial vote (which has been coming for days) there's still this:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-biden-election-supreme-court-john-yoo
Which too the best of our knowledge (at present) is the only case where Trump actually has, well, a case.  If he wins that he takes Pennsylvania.

[Flying Dice]

Don't cheer too quickly.  Assuming Biden gets the initial vote (which has been coming for days) there's still this:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-biden-election-supreme-court-john-yoo
Which too the best of our knowledge (at present) is the only case where Trump actually has, well, a case.  If he wins that he takes Pennsylvania.

Leaving aside that that's entirely wishful thinking, Trump would have to steal not only PA but also GA and NV. He has to win literally every state that has not finished counting, and three of them are leaning to Biden with more predominantly Democrat votes yet to be counted.

[feelotraveller]

Actually no, read the article.  The case is on the docket of the supreme court already and there is a bona fide argument.  I wouldn't rely on the SC not hearing it, nor following the postions that the justices have stated in past cases.  But it's not a foregone conclusion.

To the wider issue, yep, unlikely to matter assuming Trump doesn't get pretty much everything else left on the board.

Still not Good Game time yet though.

[Dostoevsky]

Regarding rumors, conspiracy theories, etc., and remembering that sharpies were mentioned earlier: Politico has an interesting dissection of #SharpieGate. (Short version: it's just rumormongering, sharpies were previously explicitly mentioned to be fine, and if there is a problem somebody will hand-check it anyways.)

[Starver]

Sharpies only work to include Alabama, surely the president knows that...

[Andux]

Biden is now leading in Pennsylvania.

[Flying Dice]

Actually no, read the article.  The case is on the docket of the supreme court already and there is a bona fide argument.  I wouldn't rely on the SC not hearing it, nor following the postions that the justices have stated in past cases.  But it's not a foregone conclusion.

To the wider issue, yep, unlikely to matter assuming Trump doesn't get pretty much everything else left on the board.

Still not Good Game time yet though.

Let's not mince words. As the article itself states, that decision is not clear-cut but instead rests on the justices' interpretive perspective. If the SCOTUS ruled in that manner it would be a blatantly partisan political decision veiled by the thinnest possible sheet of sheer silk, just as the Florida 2000 decision was.

[Frumple]

Biden is now leading in Pennsylvania.

And every indication there's no way back. Some of the major news folks are already calling it for Biden.

Bit of a relief, in any case. Odds are the chances my grandparents die of the plague within the next year probably just dropped at least somewhat. It's better than an increase a trump win would have entailed.

[nenjin]

like, seriously, you can stop putting up a front at this point. "i think drug addicts are subhumans" would save you so much time typing and the rest of us so much time reading that doesn't need to be spent

Like, seriously, you clearly have never had to have drug addicts in your life.

[feelotraveller]

Let's not mince words. As the article itself states, that decision is not clear-cut but instead rests on the justices' interpretive perspective. If the SCOTUS ruled in that manner it would be a blatantly partisan political decision veiled by the thinnest possible sheet of sheer silk, just as the Florida 2000 decision was.

Don't all decisions of the SC rest on the interpretive perspective of the justices?  That that has become highly politicised is as nasty as the loose cannon law unto themselves trajectory of the presidency.  Personally I hope (and it would seem at this stage to be the case) that Biden gets sufficient electoral college votes that whatever the court does with Pennsylvania does not impact the final outcome of the election.  But I also worry about the future of both those institutions given what has happened over the last couple of decades (especially).

[dragdeler]

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[Bumber]

Regarding rumors, conspiracy theories, etc., and remembering that sharpies were mentioned earlier: Politico has an interesting dissection of #SharpieGate. (Short version: it's just rumormongering, sharpies were previously explicitly mentioned to be fine, and if there is a problem somebody will hand-check it anyways.)

Wasn't SharpieGate already used for that Trump hurricane thing?