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« Reply #40845 on: October 25, 2020, 01:49:30 pm »

Well, there's at least 3 target audiences there.

1) people who cannot afford a proper sexchange, and who have gender dysphoria.

2) People who married somebody who has gender dysphoria, who then got a sex change-- who want to find some way to bamboozle their spouse back into being the way they used to be again, and do it on the cheap.

3) People who have a sexchange erotic fetish, getting titillated over the prospect of people getting free sexchanges.



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« Reply #40846 on: October 25, 2020, 01:54:09 pm »

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« Reply #40847 on: October 25, 2020, 02:02:24 pm »

The big deal about the laptop thing is that it alleges that Joe had spoken to Hunter about his dealings, in contrast to his earlier denial. It wouldn't be news if it was just about Hunter.

This photo allegedly shows Hunter and Joe along side one of Hunter's alleged business partners from Kazakhstan. There was also photo shown back during the impeachment hearing showing Joe and Hunter playing golf along with Hunter's confirmed Burisma (the Ukrainian energy company) business partner, Devon Archer.

Evidently, the laptop was subpoenaed by the FBI regarding money laundering.

Regarding the three links:

  • This one is actually the most interesting, but it seems to be difficult learning more about KIAR (the organization that published the photo). The website is kind of a mess and was only created during the Trump administration (and gets single-digit hits on Google before this email thing), their "reports" are mostly just talking about reports put together by other organizations (and at least once has a subscription request tucked into the article, despite having no such service), and some of their stories have an odd tendency to link to right-wing rag sites like Red State. All that said, they may well be legitimate and it's hard to judge them based on their english presence. Would be good to know where they're based (i.e. if they're in Kazakhstan or somewhere else), but I can't really seem to find any info about them.
  • This photo doesn't seem to be particularly useful, either way. As the link you provided notes, the fellow in the picture is a longtime business associate of Hunter (both during, and long before, the Burisma time). There's a chance it's relevant, but it's just as easily "Joe with Hunter and Hunter's longtime associate."
  • This one is potentially the most damning (depending on where they went with it), but also faces the whole 'Hunter, not Joe' aspect. It seems relatively clear Hunter is not the sort of person I'd want to be President, but he's not and - unlike Trump, but like just about every other President - is unlikely to serve in a Biden administration.
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« Reply #40848 on: October 25, 2020, 02:22:59 pm »

Having had to recover some pretty sordid shit for customers before (No, I will not elaborate), and then verify that the recovery was successful (because they insisted, and were adamant about getting that filth back), I have seen things that cannot be unseen, and no, because it is none of my motherfucking business what people do with their time and equipment, I won't share any grisly details.

Reminds me: At one of my workplaces, a very troubled colleague once rushed into my little IT cubby-hole (which featured half of all the 'servers', i.e. fancy Pentium (I) towers). A number of my colleagues had a little informal mailing list between them, and he'd just forwarded/CC:ed me into one of the emails written by a colleague that apparently involved me. Then regretted it and/or had been told he shouldn't have.

Could I delete an email without seeing it?  Yes. With my access to the MHS folder, so long as I could identify it. (It was amazing the kinds of things I could do, though I almost always didn't.)  I did as asked. Invited him to watch me do it.  There was even a backup version, IIRC (I forget the details) and a told him this and demonstrated that disappearing.

He was happy. I was happy. In particular, I was still curious. And knew that (being on a Novell server) I could just as easily 'undelete' it. (Can't remember how many people had Win95 installed, at that time, but it was a pretty novel thing to 'de-recycle', and wasn't even as obvious as that.

Rather 'boringly', it just turned out to be a 'fantasy' scenario about me. Pretty tame. Even for my 30-ish-year younger and more innocent self. I promptly partioned that information off in my memory and didn't act upon it in any way. (Sorry, I'm rather boringly honourable in that way. Makes my life less exciting that it could be. I use this approach in everything from games of Mafia where someone makes a big playing error to the couple of times I've been flirted with by a good friends' (supposed) partner...)

(I've left out a number of key details and may well have intentionally changed some others. I think it's safe to say that even if someone thinks they were involved in this exact tale, they're not the only one who may - or may not - have been uncovered in this kind of scenario. And also time tempers many things.)


In a later job, I did actual full repair of machines for 'the public'. Depending on the scenario, yes, it can be as Weird says. Even if it isn't, it's tempting to poke around either because of or despite the possible things that could be found. Mainly on the basis that some of the problems that I might be solving and reverting might have an ultimate cause hidden away in Internet History or something similar, that it'd be good to know and advise about to prevent any recurrance.

I've always treated it (whether the end-user knows or not) just like in the Confessional, with all kinds of interesting things being revealed to me. Yet never (fortunately?) encountered anything that made me think I had to tell anyone else (not a colleague, not the authorities, not the parent of who had brung their (adult) child's device to us).  And I also like to think I'd have never let anything 'wait', just to hold over someone at a later date, or tell someone unrelated. Not that I got many senator's son's machines through the door.

Don't know if this should reassure or scare anyone who is tempted to get their hardware fixed in future. It might depend upon how paranoid they should be, I suppose, by dint of what they actually might have to hide. People who really have a lot to hide should (by now) have a good idea of who not to go to. And if they think that one person is this one low-cost blind guy on the opposite coast, surely they'd have very good reasons to believe that this is still a good idea/it would be a very bad idea for the LCBGOTOC to betray that trust. The true problem (for the true modern malefactor) really shouldn't be something as simple as this.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #40849 on: October 25, 2020, 02:30:16 pm »

Here's a link to the NYPost article that Twitter blocked:
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

It revolves around an email that Pozharskyi (Burisma energy advisor) allegedly sent Hunter. The authenticity of the email has been in question.

IIRC, Fox News recently contacted Pozharskyi and he said that the email was authentic, and that the FBI had never even contacted him regarding it. Take from that what you will.
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« Reply #40850 on: October 25, 2020, 02:31:09 pm »

The question comes down to, how does J. Biden handle it? Like a father, worried about his son, possibly trying to keep things discrete as appropriate? Or like someone who is abusing power to cover it over?

Most of what I've seen so far is that the senior Biden has acknowledged his son's issues, and has been about as discrete as you can about it.  I mean unless people think somehow it can be used as leverage against him, I just don't understand this as anything other than a smear campaign.

I tell you what though, I fear for the country regardless of the election outcome. Unless something drastic changes to start building unity, we're on the ragged edge, especially when compounded with the psychological climate surrounding the pandemic.  People are just itching to lash out, and are just looking for a reason...
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« Reply #40851 on: October 25, 2020, 04:13:55 pm »

Here's a link to the NYPost article that Twitter blocked:
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

It revolves around an email that Pozharskyi (Burisma energy advisor) allegedly sent Hunter. The authenticity of the email has been in question.

IIRC, Fox News recently contacted Pozharskyi and he said that the email was authentic, and that the FBI had never even contacted him regarding it. Take from that what you will.
What I take from it is that the FBI determined "this is bullshit not worth wasting our time on"


As regards the bit about Trump gutting the civil service and putting in his own people, this actually gives Biden's administration more ammo to justify the full-on purge of Trump appointees from the government, which I think is absolutely crucial to do immediately after taking office. Remember how Iraq had "De-Baathification"? We need de-Trumpification. Any and all Trump appointees should be gone after the transition, full stop. If they want their job back, that's fine -- they can apply for it, and if their record and resume support it then they can be picked by the appropriate committee and where required, confirmed by Congressional approval. There are so many Acting Directors of whatever that it's sickening. Trump abused the fuck out of that provision to bypass Congressional approval for the last four years and appoint absolutely unqualified hacks like Chad Wolf.
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« Reply #40852 on: October 25, 2020, 04:27:06 pm »

Here's a link to the NYPost article that Twitter blocked:
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

It revolves around an email that Pozharskyi (Burisma energy advisor) allegedly sent Hunter. The authenticity of the email has been in question.

IIRC, Fox News recently contacted Pozharskyi and he said that the email was authentic, and that the FBI had never even contacted him regarding it. Take from that what you will.
What I take from it is that the FBI determined "this is bullshit not worth wasting our time on"


As regards the bit about Trump gutting the civil service and putting in his own people, this actually gives Biden's administration more ammo to justify the full-on purge of Trump appointees from the government, which I think is absolutely crucial to do immediately after taking office. Remember how Iraq had "De-Baathification"? We need de-Trumpification. Any and all Trump appointees should be gone after the transition, full stop. If they want their job back, that's fine -- they can apply for it, and if their record and resume support it then they can be picked by the appropriate committee and where required, confirmed by Congressional approval. There are so many Acting Directors of whatever that it's sickening. Trump abused the fuck out of that provision to bypass Congressional approval for the last four years and appoint absolutely unqualified hacks like Chad Wolf.

Only thing I will say about that attitude is that it's also possible the FBI learned from 2016 and are just keeping their mouth shut until after the election. Especially since it may not specifically involve the candidate himself in any substantial way.

That said, it still stinks of bullshit all around, all the way back to the initial claim about Biden, Shokin, and the Ukrainian loan. Feels like a story being made up where there isn't one. 100% smear campaign and grasping at straws to try to make SOMETHING stick since they have absolutely nothing and are on their way to a terrible loss.
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« Reply #40853 on: October 25, 2020, 04:30:24 pm »

The question comes down to, how does J. Biden handle it?

By not being a democrat, ultimately.
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« Reply #40854 on: October 25, 2020, 05:03:09 pm »

As interesting as this conversation about how legitimate a story broken by the American equivalent of the Daily Mail is, we've got far more important news: I have committed the sin of electoralism, and I didn't even get killed by Proud Boys doing it.

To commemorate this occasion, PRRI has finally released some good fucking research. Let's get into it.

What The Fuck Is Wrong With My Country

- A big conclusion of this research is that Fox News is extremely statistically important for the American right, such that much of this research separates Republicans into Fox News Republicans and Non-Fox News Republicans, which consistently represents a dramatic step to the right if they do watch Fox.

- Unbelievably, majorities of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents all believe that America's best days are ahead of it. This delusion is actually higher than in 2016.

- For the first time, a majority of Americans say that things are better in America today than in the 1950s. And it only took 70 years.

- Only about 15% of Republicans think that racism, climate change, and inequality are important issues.

- The glorious Religiously Unaffiliated Chad overlords are the only religious grouping who has climate change in their top three issues. And it's the third issue. We are so fucked. Conversely, only white evangelical Protestants have abortion or terrorism in the top three issues, because they are completely bugfuck insane. The most common top three issue among all groups is, of course, the Rona.

- Negative polarization is almost an equal mirror between the parties when asked if the GOP is controlled by racists and if the Dems are controlled by socialists. 10% of the party itself believes it, 47% of independents believe it, and 80% of the opposition party believes it.

- Religious pluralism continues to be unpopular. About 35% believe society should be plural, 25% believe society should be Christian only, and about 35% believe society should be Christian mostly. As you might expect, only the unaffiliated and those belonging to non-Christian religions have a majority support of pluralism. On the bright side, everyone else except evangelical Protestants are in the mostly Christian instead of only Christian camp. Hurrah.

- Surprisingly, there's been a dramatic decline in saying Islam is at odds with American values among the Democratic Party. 43% in 2016 to 26% in 2020.

- Racial pluralism is kind of better, but also terrifying. About 50% say that society should be racially pluralistic, and 10% say it should be "Western European" only. 40% of Americans apparently think they should take a middle ground between these two points. Jesus fuck.

- The..."racial centrists" are more Republicans than anything else, though 17% of Republicans were willing to endorse the Whites Only position. On the bright side, a 52% majority of Americans say that they strongly disagree with being bothered by the shift in America's racial makeup. 27% of Republicans say that they are bothered by it.

- 36% say America is a Christian nation, 40% say it was a Christian nation but isn't anymore, and 22% are correct that America was never a Christian nation. Believe it or not, but this is progress on all fronts from previous years.

- The belief that God has granted America a special role in history is finally no longer the majority belief, and in fact has decline across all demographics since 2016. 15% of religiously unaffiliated people still believe this, to which I say: What's wrong with you?

- The belief that America sets a good moral example has completely collapsed. 40% as recently as 2018, 26% now. Looks like someone went and took the blackpill, not that this stops them still believing God has given America a special role in persecuting the sinners, apparently. The most blackpilled among equals is, of course, religiously unaffiliated at 10% agreement.

- The split on whether religion is good or bad is still at 40/60 in favor of it being good, which again is rather strange given the other results. 69% of religiously unaffiliated believe that religion is bad. Nice.

- Believing that you have to believe in God to be moral has declined from an even split to 40/60 in favor of it being unnecessary. Unbelievably, black Protestants actually manage to out-terrible the white evangelical Protestants on this one, at 69% to 64%. Not nice.

- Half of men and a third of women think that American society has become "too feminized". That's gonna be an ultra-yikes from me. Be gone, incel!

- 66% of Americans favor the popular vote over the electoral college. It is of course the Republicans who disagree with this, you didn't need me to tell you that. The weird one is that it's 72% among women and 59% among men. That's a pretty huge gap for a not-a-fucking-gender-issue, but I guess that's America.

Trumpworld

- I'm going to skip most of the Trump approval, but scarily a third of Hispanic voters say they support him. Again: What's wrong with you? And don't say it's religion, because the Hispanic Catholic group has less approval.

- Hilariously, the poll on if Trump could lose or gain your support is broken because some of the subgroups aren't large enough to be statistically significant. On the side of supporting Trump, these are: Democrats, Black Protestants, and Hispanic Catholics. On the side of opposing Trump, these are: Republicans and White Evangelical Protestants.

- 98% of Fox News Republicans approve of Trump's handling of the economy. I think that's the highest number in this whole report.

- Seniors actually did turn on Trump over the Rona - 61% disapprove of how he handled it.

- Even 27% of Fox News Republicans think that Trump should behave to a more Presidential standard. Every other group thinks to some degree or another that he should act more Presidential, that he damaged the dignity of the office, and that he has encouraged racist groups. Most glorious among these is, of course, religiously unaffiliated.

- More people still say they wish Bernie had been the nominee than Biden. Get fucked, DNC.

- The Democratic Party is almost evenly split between Bernie/Warren ("Progressive") and Biden/Everyone Else ("Moderate") supporters. Something something socialism, you all know what I'm about.

- Biden is ahead of Trump on all the personality metrics. Fox News Republicans actually think Biden won't concede if he loses the election, which is probably the most divorced thing from reality possible. I'm continuously surprised Biden hasn't conceded the election already. Everyone else reports that they're terrified of a Trump coup, of course. Also, about 50% of Democrats think that the Congressional Republicans will force Trump to leave if he loses. I take it back, that is the most divorced thing from reality possible.

- One in five Americans know someone who has died of the Rona, one in three know someone who has been hospitalized.

- Statistically 0% of Fox News Republicans say they'll trust Biden to keep them informed about the pandemic. You won't be surprised to learn that they distrust everybody else too. They don't even trust Trump that much, only 58% which is by and away the highest.

- 50% of Americans think that covid was developed in a lab. Can't wait to be stuck with this shit for the next century. It's high among Republicans, but it's also high among Hispanic Protestants at 75% and Black Protestants at 61%.

Fiscally Conservative, Socially Trump

- The Democrats have improved dramatically on police racism. In 2015 43% of white Democrats said it was only isolated incidents, now it's 15%. White independents have also fallen, from 65% to 46%. You know what the results from white Republicans were.

- Everyone thinks that protest is good unless it's black people doing it, except for the Democrats who admirably did respond the exact same amount to both questions, at 71% good. Only 10% of Fox News Democrats think that black people protesting is good, but 50% approve of protesting in general.

- 58% of Americans say they favor BLM's goals.

- Approval of Confederate flags remains a coinflip, approval of Confederate statues is 40/60 in favor of them.

- Republicans think most bigotry is towards white people and Christians, everyone else thinks it's towards black and hispanic people. Boring. Asian people are kind of getting shafted by both sides though.

- 50% of Democrats approve of reparations now, which is easily the highest it's ever been. Everyone else disapproves, while Fox News Republicans dissolve into a pool of their own acids at being asked the question.

- Even Republicans will say that immigrants are hard working and have family values, but 72% of Republicans say immigrants are also welfare parasites, 63% say they increase crime, and 40% say they bring disease(!?). Some conflicted feelings on this one...

- Surprisingly, though a majority of Republicans believe in the Great Replacement conspiracy, it's actually down a few points from 2016 even among Fox News Republicans. For whom it is still over 60%, so don't get relaxed yet.

- Again, even a slim majority of Republicans are against the family separation policy (but not Fox News Republicans). Overwhelming opposition from everyone else.

- Majorities of everyone except Republicans support Medicare For All and College For All. A slim majority of Republicans and also everyone supports UBI. 71% of Republicans support a childcare program and it's otherwise in the 80s and 90s. As such, none of these policies will be enacted by the Biden Administration in order to #HealTheDivide :)

- 42% of Americans think climate change won't harm them. They're Republicans. Death cult, etc.

- Abortion is 60/40 in favor of it being mostly or always available. Surprisingly, as much as Republicans harp on about "how much the Democrats could gain if they would just give up the baby murder", only about a fifth of the electorate say abortion is an overriding electoral concern. Guess which fifth that is. Go on, guess. In keeping with previous polls the Republicans are kind of fucked on this in a popular rule sense, as even among themselves only a minority want an actual abortion ban and the young Republicans are evenly split on opposing abortion at all. Good thing our wise justices will make such trivialities as voting irrelevant on this. :)

- The Big Gay shall not be denied. Same-sex marriage is 70/30 in favor. Surprisingly, a comprehensive nondiscrimination law for LGBT people is even more popular, with no group having majority opposition. Not even white evangelical Protestants, barely. Ironically godlike religiously unaffiliated supports same-sex marriage at 90% and a nondiscrimination law at 92%.

- Everybody dislikes China and Russia, but not too much.
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« Reply #40855 on: October 25, 2020, 05:53:57 pm »

That's too big for me to hassle with traditional quotes, so a few thoughts:

"best days ahead of it" - I could see that being higher as people are thinking of today when they say it.

"Great Replacement" - I had to look that one up. Hoo boy.

Hispanic voters and Trump - There are certain groups, e.g. Cuban ex-pats, that are very conservative while not necessarily being very religious. That's my guess, at least.

'Covid in a lab' - I bet that's split between those who think it was made in a Bill Gates lab and those who think it's a Chinese lab. For what it's worth, I know a few people who think it was developed in a Chinese lab while simultaneously thinking there wasn't anything malicious - just a lab accident gone terribly wrong. (Before you ask, I'm not among them.)

Justices and abortion - Worth noting that Roe v Wade isn't about blocking abortion, but constitutionally requiring access. That is, overturning Roe v. Wade alone wouldn't make abortions illegal - it'd 'just' let states ban or approve it if they wanted. (That said, they could hypothetically go even further and say abortion itself is unconstitutional, that's just an extra step beyond.)

"Christian nation but not anymore" - I could see someone argue that regardless of what it said on the paper, historically America was Christian-dominated until semi-recently. (Though by that metric I'd say it's still Christian-dominated.)
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« Reply #40856 on: October 25, 2020, 06:27:09 pm »

That's too big for me to hassle with traditional quotes, so a few thoughts:

"best days ahead of it" - I could see that being higher as people are thinking of today when they say it.
Yesterday, Tomania was down, but today she has risen! (Cookies for those who catch that reference).
'Covid in a lab' - I bet that's split between those who think it was made in a Bill Gates lab and those who think it's a Chinese lab. For what it's worth, I know a few people who think it was developed in a Chinese lab while simultaneously thinking there wasn't anything malicious - just a lab accident gone terribly wrong. (Before you ask, I'm not among them.)
The sad thing is we've reached the "harm reduction" stage where I'm just glad they're not convinced the virus is the devil's way of getting you to get a 666 tattoo.
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« Reply #40857 on: October 25, 2020, 06:37:39 pm »

I don't understand the people who are "America should be 100% Christian" or "100% white" or whatever. What sort of racial or religious purging do they have in mind?!

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Isn't that a rational choice for women, who have a slight population advantage over men, and would therefore benefit more from popular vote than electoral?
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« Reply #40858 on: October 25, 2020, 06:40:08 pm »

I don't buy it - the population difference is mostly due to men dying younger. I've never heard of anybody suggesting this was a useful political advantage.
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« Reply #40859 on: October 25, 2020, 06:43:30 pm »

I don't understand the people who are "America should be 100% Christian" or "100% white" or whatever. What sort of racial or religious purging do they have in mind?!

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Isn't that a rational choice for women, who have a slight population advantage over men, and would therefore benefit more from popular vote than electoral?
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Interesting stuff. Esp. the stuff about UBI, medicare, etc. Always forget how much people are in favour of things like making sure children can eat, etc, so long as it's not presented as Soshulism.
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