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[Cheesy Honkers]

I'm sure gonna cry for the boys and girls who WERE FORCED, GUYS to run Abu Ghraib. Poor fucking things. I also pity the SS, can you imagine being FORCED BY THE BADDIES to gas all those Jews? They really weren't responsible at all. No sir.

[ZBridges]

I didn't know I was talking to a historian!  Tell me more about those Abu Ghraib atrocities committed during World War 2!  Because hey, America is just as bad as the Nazis and the Holocaust!

[Cheesy Honkers]

I didn't know I was talking to a historian!  Tell me more about those Abu Ghraib atrocities committed during World War 2!  Because hey, America is just as bad as the Nazis and the Holocaust!

Are all liberals so desperate for human contact that they make men out of straw? Nowhere have I said that America ran Abu Ghraib in WW2, but I guess because it was the filthy Iraqis that got tortured I got owned big style. Go off king

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Because these people were forced by their government to go to war, they're trash and losers?  Disgusting.

That is an irrelevance. Only the strategic motivations of war matter which judging the war as a whole.

To focus on soldiers or if they "have a choice" is no different from, say, Clean Wehrmacht bullshit. You can judge the actions of soldiers, of course, but that does not justify the war.

If you wish to discuss this in a serious way, then the answer is that the US ended up on "the right side" of WWII by part happenstance, part policy inertia in favor of the UK, and part desire to take over the world. That this desire to take over the world was under the framework of liberalism and economic extraction rather than fascism and racial extermination is hardly much of a moral high ground for the US.

Had the UK signed armistice with Germany and Japan's generals not been so paranoid as to go for a preemptive decapitation strike, then in all likelihood the US wouldn't have been a participant in WWII at all.

The US did not enter WWII to stop the holocaust. At most you could say that the US happened to stop the holocaust earlier on than it would have if they'd stayed neutral and the USSR marched to the shores of France. To give the US moral credit for stopping the holocaust and thus say the US was good in WWII is ex post facto and a poor understanding of geopolitics at best.

[ZBridges]

I didn't know I was talking to a historian!  Tell me more about those Abu Ghraib atrocities committed during World War 2!  Because hey, America is just as bad as the Nazis and the Holocaust!

Are all liberals so desperate for human contact that they make men out of straw? Nowhere have I said that America ran Abu Ghraib in WW2, but I guess because it was the filthy Iraqis that got tortured I got owned big style. Go off king

I was talking about WW2, and you inserted yourself and mentioned Abu Ghraib.  This is how to win an argument, clearly: start talking about something completely unrelated!  You're a fucking genius!  I bet you skipped high-school, and all the rest of school, too.

Because these people were forced by their government to go to war, they're trash and losers?  Disgusting.

That is an irrelevance. Only the strategic motivations of war matter which judging the war as a whole.

To focus on soldiers or if they "have a choice" is no different from, say, Clean Wehrmacht bullshit. You can judge the actions of soldiers, of course, but that does not justify the war.

If you wish to discuss this in a serious way, then the answer is that the US ended up on "the right side" of WWII by part happenstance, part policy inertia in favor of the UK, and part desire to take over the world. That this desire to take over the world was under the framework of liberalism and economic extraction rather than fascism and racial extermination is hardly much of a moral high ground for the US.

Had the UK signed armistice with Germany and Japan's generals not been so paranoid as to go for a preemptive decapitation strike, then in all likelihood the US wouldn't have been a participant in WWII at all.

The US did not enter WWII to stop the holocaust. At most you could say that the US happened to stop the holocaust earlier on than it would have if they'd stayed neutral and the USSR marched to the shores of France. To give the US moral credit for stopping the holocaust and thus say the US was good in WWII is ex post facto and a poor understanding of geopolitics at best.

I wasn't talking about the war being justified, I was talking about not calling drafted men trash.  Whether the war is justified or not is irrelevant.  If you were drafted and forced to fight, should I then call you trash?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

You're the one who brought up the trash man, sweet hell.

[ZBridges]

“Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.”

Might be the first time I agree with Trump. Save for American involvement in World War II, the US has only waged immoral wars.

Nope, this isn't me.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

This is like one of those dreams where you try to read something and the letters jump off the page and start drilling into your teeth like thousands of bloodthirsty microdentists.

[Cheesy Honkers]

I didn't know I was talking to a historian!  Tell me more about those Abu Ghraib atrocities committed during World War 2!  Because hey, America is just as bad as the Nazis and the Holocaust!

Are all liberals so desperate for human contact that they make men out of straw? Nowhere have I said that America ran Abu Ghraib in WW2, but I guess because it was the filthy Iraqis that got tortured I got owned big style. Go off king

I was talking about WW2, and you inserted yourself and mentioned Abu Ghraib.  This is how to win an argument, clearly: start talking about something completely unrelated!  You're a fucking genius!  I bet you skipped high-school, and all the rest of school, too.

I wasn't replying to you, gringo. Not everything is about the big white saviour, you know.

I'm sure gonna cry for the boys and girls who WERE FORCED, GUYS to run Abu Ghraib. Poor fucking things. I also pity the SS, can you imagine being FORCED BY THE BADDIES to gas all those Jews? They really weren't responsible at all. No sir.

This was aimed at Reelya, who mentioned Iraq/

[ZBridges]

Do you think all American soldiers that fought in Iraq have committed atrocities?  How about the native Iraqis, who fight with them?  Clearly the people who participated in things like the Abu Ghraib incident are trash, but that doesn't mean all soldiers are trash, regardless of what war they served in.

[Cheesy Honkers]

Yeah, every single American that fought in Iraq was trash. They had no fucking right to "just follow orders". What kind of excuse will you come up with to defend a war of imperialism? The only good Americans in Iraq were the ones carried around in caskets.

[ZBridges]

And the ones that served in Iraq after the establishment of a new Iraqi state, who had no involvement with the overthrow of Saddam?  Yeah, because clearly ISIS is just misunderstood and wants to spread peace and give out candy, right?

[Cheesy Honkers]

I wonder what possibly could have happened that fostered the rise of a fundamentalist group that served as an alternative government to an occupational force? I really do wonder.

I like this excuse. "Yeah, we destroyed this country, so now we can kill every t****head with impunity. Everyone who dislikes is a terrorist sympathiser." Shit, after all it was the allies of the Great Satan that funded and armed ISIS, and it was facilitated by the US occupation. America invented an enemy to justify it's continued imperialism.

[ZBridges]

Soldiers fighting ISIS are the real enemy, and they are to blame for policies made by politicians who never even set foot on Iraq!  Thank you for opening my eyes.  Fighting ISIS is the same as fighting every <insert slur here>!  I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

This thread is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan.