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[Maximum Spin]

"Tart" is the equivalent of "thot" in olde world speake.   

This quote turned my day around. Thank you, Yoink.

It did for me too, but, the other way.

[feelotraveller]

It is interesting to note that the whole ancap thing is almost entirely american.

"The ancaps connected to the kneecaps, Oh hear the word of the Lord."

(We all know the kneeling-caps will inherit the earth.)

[nenjin]

Plus, anarcho-syndicalists don't accept the authority of swords fished out of lakes.

It's no basis for a system of government, I'll tell you that.

[Naturegirl1999]

They're quoting a movie.
And the watery tart isn't a food item, it's the Lady of the Lake.

Oh, the one called Long Live the king, where one of Merlin’s training exercises was to have the students fight treeants?

[ZBridges]

Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

[wierd]

ninja'd

[Naturegirl1999]

Been a while since I’ve seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail

[Reelya]

They're quoting a movie.
And the watery tart isn't a food item, it's the Lady of the Lake.

Actually thinking about it, it's actually a smoking gun that a story was cobbled together from competing earlier versions, when the same thing happens, but in two different ways so they just cram both versions in there (the sword from the stone, and the sword from the lake). At the rate they were proliferating every man and his dog in England should have had a prophesized magical sword.

[Maximum Spin]

Well, I wouldn't call them the same thing. In later traditions, the sword in the stone isn't even supposed to be magical itself, or particularly prophesied: Merlin just sticks Uther Pendragon's normal sword into a rock and anvil. In fact, in some versions I've heard, the spell he puts on it is specifically designed to let Arthur personally pull it out, and the whole "true king of England!" thing is apparently just him being a dick.

The sword from the lake is Excalibur/Caledfwlch/Caliborn and definitely magic.

Now, with that said, this only works out so pat in late synthesised versions. It definitely does appear that at least some people earlier on considered the sword in the stone the same as Excalibur, and it's clear that there's no certain reconstruction of any single original.

[Reelya]

Yeah, that was my point, synthesis then retroactively making everything fit. I won't say which other book does this all the time because we don't need the argument about it.

Say you had the two versions of getting the sword and you want to incorporate both in the story, there would only be so many ways that could fit together. Say you put the lake first, then it wouldn't make sense that he got the lake-sword then gets the stone-sword proving him as king. That would just be confusing, so ... the lake story just has to come afterwards. And the sword he gets second just has to be the best sword, so therefore that one becomes (Ex)calib(er/orn), and the other one is relegated to this sword he happened to get that just happened to have an unrelated prophecy attached to it and a magic spell.

[Bumber]

"Tart" is the equivalent of "thot" in olde world speake.   

No wonder the Queen of Hearts was upset with the knave.

[scriver]

Yeah, that was my point, synthesis then retroactively making everything fit. I won't say which other book does this all the time because we don't need the argument about it.

Say you had the two versions of getting the sword and you want to incorporate both in the story, there would only be so many ways that could fit together. Say you put the lake first, then it wouldn't make sense that he got the lake-sword then gets the stone-sword proving him as king. That would just be confusing, so ... the lake story just has to come afterwards. And the sword he gets second just has to be the best sword, so therefore that one becomes (Ex)calib(er/orn), and the other one is relegated to this sword he happened to get that just happened to have an unrelated prophecy attached to it and a magic spell.

I'll have no ill speak of DC comics on my watch

[wierd]

You would think she would be happy, since the king of hearts called for the tarts, and vowed the knave would pay.

(Very racy interpretation that way---)


The queen of hearts, made some tarts, upon a summer's day.
The knave of hearts, He stole those tarts, and took them clean away.
The king of hearts, called for the tarts,And beat the knave full sore;
The Knave of Hearts Brought back the tarts, And vowed he'd steal no more.


Protip kids, dont run off with the king's harem girls, especially the private ones his wife personally trained.

[Bumber]

You would think she would be happy, since the king of hearts called for the tarts, and vowed the knave would pay.

She a pimp, tho.

[Reelya]

Yeah, that was my point, synthesis then retroactively making everything fit. I won't say which other book does this all the time because we don't need the argument about it.
...

I'll have no ill speak of DC comics on my watch

No, seriously, I was talking about The Lord of the Rings.