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[A Thing]

EDIT: POST-MIDNIGHT PURE HORROR AMERICA ROBOT GOD COMMUNISM, LET US DANCE IN THE FLAME

Finally the great seal breaks, let us dance in the flame.

[sluissa]

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1253751812194070529

Okay, Biden is the better option. Not a good option, but better than the alternative.

[misko27]

As much as Abortion is an important issue, I think the airtime it gets relative to literally all of the other things the Supreme Court does is a little much. For instance, the Wisconsin case went to the Supreme Court. Conservatives have an iron-lock on the institution right now, I'm only expecting worse with time. For instance, the GOP has been setting their sights on the CFPB (Consumer Financial Protection Bureau) ever since Dodd-Frank, and now there's a case that was seen in March on whether it should be struck down as unconstitutional. Especially with the paralysis you've been getting recently, law-by-court is only ever more and more important.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1253751812194070529

Okay, Biden is the better option. Not a good option, but better than the alternative.

You know Plague Inc already has a news ticker reference to that. "Child tells President that injecting disinfectants is 'Not Good'"

Meanwhile the calls to poison control over exposure to cleaning agents are increasing all over the country...

[Lord Shonus]

Meanwhile the calls to poison control over exposure to cleaning agents are increasing all over the country...

I'd really like to see the data on that. You would expect an increase because so many people are doing much more intensive cleaning than they usually do (both because they're afraid of the virus and thus cleaning aggressively, and because people are spending so much more time at home and thus making their houses dirty quicker), so it is possible that only a portion of the increase is related to people blindly following the orange god they made. One of the local news stations had a report a few weeks ago reminding people to be careful what chemicals they mix, because there was an increase in poisonings of the "bleach+ammonia" type.

[Max™]

Jesus how in the fuck is it possible to imagine Biden even just paying lipservice towards rolling back the damage the GOP is dead set on doing is in ANY way comparable to just letting the GOP see if they can stop bumblefucking around and tripping over their own feet for four more years?

We'd be better off with a rotting corpse in the oval office with VP Abrams or Warren doing a Weekend at Biden's routine moving the arm to rubberstamp shit.

When you're given a chance to wrest control from the madman dumbfuck intent on flying the ship full speed ahead into that large blackish holeish thing up ahead, arguing about whether we should turn slightly to the left and up or slightly down and to the right is not the important topic to discuss when literally anyfucking heading is better than "yeeehaw, event horizon this!" right?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Well, for one thing the world is fucked no matter what you do. I just want to be absolutely clear on that one, fire rises, ect.

But don't forget: Obama, Biden, and HRC created Donald Trump. His presidency and his politics were forged in their crucible. Some explicitly, like the Pied Piper strategy. Some implicitly, the impacts of the entire Obama administration's failure to function. And Biden at the helm has this problem far more intensely than Obama or HRC. They could play at dealing a card or two even if they'd never actually do it, but Mr. "Nothing Will Fundamentally Change"? Yikes.

So the consequence of electing Biden is that he'll likely accomplish one moderate-significant bill unless Mitch is stiff-necked enough to not even do that much, then piss on that bill regardless, replace Ginsberg with a conservative who he's friends with, and then in 2024 the Republicans win an even larger majority with an even more fascist candidate (again, Mr. Cotton) and more angry insanity while the Dems have presumably ratfucked AOC or whoever gets the left candidacy in favor of some other ghoul if not Biden himself. Thus is the shape of the death spiral, where the Republicans continue to gain advantage in a combination of cheating and being willing to do anything at all while the Dems warm seats. What the GOP likes to do is insane and futile of course, and they like it even less when the Dems actually join in with them, but people will generally prefer the stronger and louder voice which the GOP will always have over neoliberal Dems.

This of course is most likely going to be irrelevant since Trump will probably be reelected regardless of the vaunted AmeriPol Thread influence on the election, but for the posterity of humanity's tomb I'd like the lack of foresight in even trying to elect Biden to be on record.

[sluissa]

Jesus how in the fuck is it possible to imagine Biden even just paying lipservice towards rolling back the damage the GOP is dead set on doing is in ANY way comparable to just letting the GOP see if they can stop bumblefucking around and tripping over their own feet for four more years?

We'd be better off with a rotting corpse in the oval office with VP Abrams or Warren doing a Weekend at Biden's routine moving the arm to rubberstamp shit.

When you're given a chance to wrest control from the madman dumbfuck intent on flying the ship full speed ahead into that large blackish holeish thing up ahead, arguing about whether we should turn slightly to the left and up or slightly down and to the right is not the important topic to discuss when literally anyfucking heading is better than "yeeehaw, event horizon this!" right?

I can honestly understand the desire to just go "Well, it's not what I want, might as well let people suffer until they do what I want them to" as a sort of spiteful attitude. And I can also sympathize with the idea that we're all fucked anyway and anything short of perfection at this point isn't worth dealing with as it's probably not going to be enough to dig us out of this mess.

I have had those thoughts as well over the years. And I have no love for Biden, at all. But I plan to vote for him simply because the alternative is so visibly, so extraordinarily bad.

[Max™]

I mean, it's so bad, it's only really gotten bad enough that nobody sane can really ignore how awful shit has gotten here, but fuck it is so much worse, and we're nowhere near getting it under control because of this stupid fucking shitbaby throwing tantrums and being so much less than we needed in every way.

[SalmonGod]

When you're given a chance to wrest control from the madman dumbfuck intent on flying the ship full speed ahead into that large blackish holeish thing up ahead, arguing about whether we should turn slightly to the left and up or slightly down and to the right is not the important topic to discuss when literally anyfucking heading is better than "yeeehaw, event horizon this!" right?

The issue isn't about what direction to slightly turn in.  We've been aiming at that black hole for decades.  The issue is whether either of the options for captain will steer us away from that black hole at all. 

From my perspective, one will fly us into the black hole half because they're corrupt and half because they're stupid/unqualified.  Half the passengers will spend the trip screaming hysterically about it because it upsets them when this captain says offensive things over the intercom and his obvious stupidity makes them brace for death at every speck of turbulence, while the other half of passengers blows raspberries because they're fascists and the offensiveness and hysteria entertains them.

The other will fly us into the black hole 100% just because they're corrupt with full understanding of what they're doing, just like the last several captains of the ship.  Half the passengers will simply neglect to look out the window and see where they're going because this captain's got credentials, walks and talks like other captains they've flown with, and there's still plenty of turbulence but they get reassuring comments over the intercom using impressive sounding terms like "quantitative easing" so they know what they're doing it's fine.  The other half of the passengers will gnash their teeth and wail at the lack of entertainment.

We have 10 years to put this ship on a completely different course, or we're flying into that black hole.  We're so close, slight adjustments won't do it.  We're feeling the gravity now, and it's not going to be easy to escape.  It's change course and kick in the warp drives or die.  And what I got from your last couple posts is that you've known since the 80's that we've been heading towards that black hole and gave up hope long ago of ever changing course.  So what point do you really intend to make by invoking this sort of analogy?

[sluissa]

And that sort of analogy is completely disingenuous. It's hyperbolic, has nothing to do with reality and is just good old fashioned scare mongering.

[WealthyRadish]

The credible rape charge receiving zero recognition from the democratic establishment and media is something I don't think I'll forget. It might sound like I'm giving them too much credit, but I do think if it were any other candidate as runner-up (except perhaps Warren) Biden would have dropped out. The most conspicuous quality to differentiate our "left" party from the Republicans is a handful of socially progressive policies and attitudes, and they abandoned that already below-minimum standard to avoid a vaguely socialist candidate getting the nomination.

That said, while the Democrats deserve to lose and they deserve Trump, the people who will suffer most under his reelection most definitely don't deserve it. For me it boils down to whether giving Trump another four years is at all acceptable from the standpoint of accelerationism, and my feeling given the experience thus far is that it very much isn't.

[The Ensorceler]

Also keep in mind that if we can vote well enough downballot mitch wont fucking matter, ideally until the day he keels over and all the rotten spider juice leaks out. The oil industry may well never recover from this year in its current form (I expect the companies will mostly survive but invest in energy less likely to turbofuck them in another lockdown), support for universal healthcare is still rising, and there's a lot of extremely potent Canned Unfuck Legislation waiting in the wings.

That's your leverage out of the black hole. Voting for biden is just a way to not blow up the engines before you have a chance to turn.

[Eschar]

Forgive my ignorance but... what is accelerationism?

[MrRoboto75]

Forgive my ignorance but... what is accelerationism?

"Shit's fucked but people don't notice.  So let's fuck shit harder so that maybe, just maybe, someone will care and unfuck us from our fuckening and then some."

[Rolan7]

It's my friend sacrificing a forlorn hope for a possible future.
Having been deluded into the xenophobic mindset.