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[MetalSlimeHunt]

Biden was very animated, in the sense that it looked a lot like a staffer jabbed a syringe full of meth into the base of his spine before he walked out on stage.

[RazielReaver]

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/21/bernie-sanders-russia-election-interference-the-lead-vpx.cnn

[ChairmanPoo]

Biden was very animated, in the sense that it looked a lot like a staffer jabbed a syringe full of meth into the base of his spine before he walked out on stage.

Isn´t meth smoked or snorted rather than injected?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Biden was very animated, in the sense that it looked a lot like a staffer jabbed a syringe full of meth into the base of his spine before he walked out on stage.

Isn't meth smoked or snorted rather than injected?

Damnit Jim, I'm not that kind of doctor!

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/21/bernie-sanders-russia-election-interference-the-lead-vpx.cnn

Good old lib hysteria over the Slavic menace, perhaps the only thing more annoying than Trumpworld these past few years.

[Doomblade187]

I mean, Russia has been confirmed for helping boost Trump and hurting the Left, via fake news operations, hacking, etc. They *are* a problem.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It's not significant compared to the literal traitors in the Republican Party, who actually have political rights in this country and so can operate openly save actually throwing ballot boxes into rivers. Not that the DNC is even better by half...

[SalmonGod]

When Russia is found to be involved in anything nearly as serious as the purging of 200,000 voters in New York, as one example among many, I'll begin to care.  The whole thing is a circus meant to deflect everyone's sense of disenfranchisement and anger at the election of Trump away from those most truly at fault for it.

[Doomblade187]

I simply worry about two things!

Also, if you are in Georgia (or anywhere in the US) - go check your voter registration!

[hector13]

Conservatives in Wisconsin are also trying to get 200k people removed from voter rolls.

There was a mailing in October last year to see if people had moved, and the state election commission was supposed to remove people that hadn’t responded. They didn’t, Republicans got a court order, they refused again, the state supreme court was asked to get involved, they decided not to, the state election commission appealed, that was successful, then a conservative law firm asked the state supreme court to get involved again, and I can’t find anything since late January about it, so presumably they didn’t.

[Folly]

I still don't understand why foreign influence is regarded as such an intolerable threat.

Disinformation is the real danger, and it should be equally concerning whether it comes from without or within.

[WealthyRadish]

It's also harder to take credibly a principled opposition to foreign interference in elections given the obvious liberties the US continues to take with covert and open interference in the politics of other countries. Using foreign interference as a scapegoat when convenient and ignoring or hiding it otherwise also makes the broader questions inaccessible, turning something that should be an obvious consensus into a partisan issue while pushing the public narrative closer to blatant nationalistic realpolitik.

[Frumple]

I still don't understand why foreign influence is regarded as such an intolerable threat.

Disinformation is the real danger, and it should be equally concerning whether it comes from without or within.

I mean, among other things, if they break laws in the process we don't have the same sort of jurisdiction to kick them for it. Similarly there's fairly unique pressures involved that don't exist in regards to domestic influences (see fucking ukraine for a recent example), or at least involve different issues or means of preventing or punishing misbehavior.

Beyond that there's issues of transparency and whatnot that we value for goddamn good reason. Shit could probably keep going in that direction. Domestic issues probably are more important, but that doesn't mean foreign nationals (and literal intelligence agencies) running disinformation campaigns and related horseshit is somehow unimportant because of it.

Much of the rest of it just standard non-locals-can-fuck-off-from-our-local-decision-making stuff you see every time some jackass from out of town tries to run for office or whatev', just expanded in scope. Probably xenophobia adjacent, but it's not entirely coming from there. You legitimately want to reduce the influence of fucks that aren't directly involved and may have reason to actively undermine your group's (town, nation, commune, whatever) general wellbeing. There's a similar sentiment in wanting out of town megacorps to screw off when they're trying to predate on your home town or whatev'.

[scriver]

That's... I don't even know what to call it. Much folly. You are not unaware that the reality of world politics is a a competition for power. Other countries do not have your best interests at heart. Fuck, they probably don't even have your interests at heart at all.

It's also harder to take credibly a principled opposition to foreign interference in elections given the obvious liberties the US continues to take with covert and open interference in the politics of other countries.

On the contrary, it provides the perfect example of why foreign influences in your politics is bad and should be avoided.

[Cheesy Honkers]

 "Well, when the president US does it, that means that it is not illegal."

[sluissa]

As always, the whole point of the Russian interference is to create chaos and distrust in our government. And it doesn't necessarily matter which candidate they're helping, the simple fact that they're seen to be helping someone is more than enough.

Rewind a few years, but as much as Trump's been a terrible president and human being, almost all of the serious trouble he's had over the last 3 years has been taken in context of that Russian interference. That, combined with his more or less solid refusal to criticize or hold accountable Putin in any meaningful way and his denial of facts and attempts to spin it as the fault of others. A lot of that seems to come from his ego being unable to accept his win wasn't entirely on his own merits. So even if he's NOT working with Putin, the appearance is there, and it's entirely his fault.

Bernie can avoid that, simply because despite what anyone thinks of his policies, he's got a pretty clean record on staying consistent and telling the truth.

The only other upside I can see to Russia backing Bernie is if they are truly backing Trump, they might see Bernie as the weakest candidate(at least among "viable" candidates) against him and want the race to be easier.