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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #34680 on: February 09, 2020, 05:48:29 pm »

Normal politics in normal Denmark

They just haven't made things BIG enough yet. NOT BIG NOT AMERICAN

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« Reply #34681 on: February 09, 2020, 06:58:44 pm »

Normal politics in normal Denmark

They just haven't made things BIG enough yet. NOT BIG NOT AMERICAN

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #34682 on: February 10, 2020, 04:41:31 am »

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« Reply #34683 on: February 10, 2020, 05:04:17 am »

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« Reply #34684 on: February 10, 2020, 08:11:50 am »

Or was Clinton playing 11D chess and using people's hatred of her and her opinions to boost Bernie?

Maybe we'll never know for sure.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #34685 on: February 10, 2020, 09:25:26 am »

I seriously doubt that.

Cliton (spelling intentional) was all in a twist over Sanders beating her on the popular side of the 2016 primaries to the point of having a cow over it.  She only got the nomination because of the superdelegates, and it was so pathetically obvious, that the DNC had to change the rules to save face.

It's happening again this year, and they ALREADY want to reneg on the rule changes, because it makes their little bitch asses hurt.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #34686 on: February 10, 2020, 09:37:47 am »

I didn't understand at all the Democrat primaries, and couldn't find out who actually won.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #34687 on: February 10, 2020, 09:45:36 am »

I didn't understand at all the Democrat primaries, and couldn't find out who actually won.

Yeah, that's probably intentional. They created a sketchy phone app for voting that is somehow less reliable than machine voting (which has very many known security issues that are easily abused). They also counted the votes 3 different ways, with different results, so they could choose the results they liked best.
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« Reply #34688 on: February 10, 2020, 10:08:12 am »

I didn't understand at all the Democrat primaries, and couldn't find out who actually won.

IIRC Iowa was a tie between Buttgreg and Sanders, each got like 26% of the vote.
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« Reply #34689 on: February 10, 2020, 10:15:52 am »

No, they were each given 26% of the State Delegate Equivalents, which is an insane and meaningless metric. Buttigieg was later given two extra real delegates because...? And Sanders won the actual vote in both rounds.

But that's all kind of irrelevant because the election is now very decidedly disputed, three different campaigns have called for rencanvass, and what really needs to happen is a full recount since the Iowa Democratic Party is refusing to correct their proven math errors in over a hundred locations for anything less.
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« Reply #34690 on: February 10, 2020, 10:45:45 am »

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« Reply #34691 on: February 10, 2020, 11:03:21 am »

was all in a twist over Sanders beating her on the popular side of the 2016 primaries to the point of having a cow over it.  She only got the nomination because of the superdelegates, and it was so pathetically obvious, that the DNC had to change the rules to save face.

It's happening again this year, and they ALREADY want to reneg on the rule changes
Indirectly, sure.  Superdelegates were often counted (accurately) by the news as being locked-in for Clinton, which gave her that f'd up notion of "momentum" and "lead" which evidently makes a huge difference.  I'm astounded that it does so in a 2-person race, but it obviously does.

And that might be a significant factor as to why Sanders LOST the popular vote 43% to 55%.
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That manufactured "lead" could be why people voted for Clinton in sufficient numbers that she got 2263 delegates to Sanders 1822 (going off these numbers), 55% of the delegates between them, if all superdelegates had abstained.
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The DNC had a clear preference, which is their prerogative.  Nothing is stopping a Republican (or independent, cough) from "becoming Democrat" and running in their primary except for these very mechanisms we saw in 2016.  They're a bunch of classically-liberal corporate shills being *infiltrated* by progressive candidates, which is amazing and OUR ONLY HOPE AS A NATION/PLANET.  But the organization has a right to resist it, just as they would resist being infiltrated by fascist populism (crazy example I know :'( )

Influencing their primary vote is valid and important, even though they're disastrously misguided and largely corrupt.  As long as they do so legally...

But, were the actual caucuses and votes fairly held?  I think they're highly suspect, and what I'm seeing in 2020 has destroyed the considerable sympathy I still had for Buttigieg.  In the wake of such controversy the DNC needed to win back public trust with transparency and fair dealing.  FOR THEIR OWN SAKE.  Instead things look fishy as fuck, and it's not the fault of Sanders supporters.  The uncontested facts just look shady, and that's awful.

This is Epstein-"suicide" levels of bad PR.  It doesn't matter whether it's incompetence or corruption, people will legitimately assume the latter.  And neither are good!
The DNC game of running ineffectual corporate shills only works as long as they're promising real change, which requires trust.  They've spent all that trust.  Trump vs Biden doesn't inspire hope in people.  The DNC have to go against their values and choose a progressive candidate, it's the only winning option for them.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #34692 on: February 10, 2020, 01:15:46 pm »

Very well put. I've had similar thoughts in a number of ways. It leads me to wonder what will happen if the Democrats fail to defeat Trump. If they pick Pete or Joe, could there really be a party fracture? And if they pick Bernie and still lose (for any reason,) what then? It would be crazy to see the democrats go from Obama to disintegration in eight years, but looking at the field...

Then there's the Republicans. I do wonder how the party will survive post-Trump. Will the trumpers fall in line? Or are they the party now?
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #34693 on: February 10, 2020, 01:23:25 pm »

I keep wondering how much the next round of Republican candidates will try to emulate him.  Part of me hopes they'll move on to something more normal after him, but I'm expecting at least a few candidates to show up who are openly awful yet lack the black magic that Trump employs to get people to like him despite it.
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« Reply #34694 on: February 10, 2020, 01:32:49 pm »

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