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[MrRoboto75]

And that doesn't fucking well mean it's okay to contribute towards it.

Its somebody else's problem.  You know what happens in society when its somebody else's problem.  That means it's nobody's problem.

[wierd]

The pigs aren't brutalizers and murderers because people are rude to them, jesus christ.

https://www.nap.edu/read/10419/chapter/6#117

Proposition2: It is widely believed that officers punish citizens based on the citizen's untoward demeanor toward the police, even when that demeanor is itself not a legal violation. The committee finds conflicting evidence regarding the impact of the suspect' demeanor on police actions toward suspects and victim-complainants.

The proposition that police officers respond punitively to suspects who fail to accord them deference emerged from some of the earliest systematic inquiry into police behavior, Westley (1953,1970) found that the maintenence of respect is an important norm among police. Disrepect for the police, he reports, is symbolized by ""the wise guy", the fellow who thinks he knows more than they do, the fellow who talks back, the fellow who insults the policeman" (1970:123; See also Van Maanen, 1978) and furthermore, such disrespect legitimates the use of force to compel deference.

Analyses of data collected in the 1960s and 1970s consistently found that the demeanor of suspects toward police affects the likelihood that they will be arrested and the likelihood that officers will use physical force against them (Black and Reiss, 1970; Black, 1971; Lundman, 1974, 1994, 1996, 1998; Sykes et al., 1974; Smith and Visher, 1981; Worden and Myers, 2000; compare Matrofski et al., 1995; see also Van Maanen, 1978). Given the tendency of the police to underenforce the law (Wilson, 1968,; Also see Black, 1971; LaFave 1965) this means that the suspects who fail to show deference to police authority are less likely to get a break-- to avoid justifiable arrest or to receive the benefit of an evidentiary doubt. Moreover, the magnitude of the estimated effect was substantial: One analysis of data collected in 1977 indicated that a disrespectful demeanor raised the estimated likelihood of arrest rom .11 to .28 (Orden and Shepard, 1996) and the results of another analysis of the same data (Engel et al., 2000) indicated that police were 5.8 times more likely to use force against disrespectful suspects than against more deferential suspects.

Analyses of more recent data, however, are mixed. Two sutdies using data on police intervention into disputes, collected in 1986, yielded mixed fndings on the effect of demeanor on arrest (Klinger, 1994, 1996) an alaysis of data collected in 1992 shoed that the likelihood of arrest was greater when the suspect resisted police authority--IF, for example, they refused to comply with an explicit police command, acted threateningly, or offered physical resistance (Matrofski et al., 1995). The effect of resistance on arrest was limited to citizens' actions that were illegal; resistance that did not take the form of illegal action did not affect the likelihood of arrest. Data collected for the Porject on Policing Neighborhoods in 1996-1997 shows that disrespect by suspects raises the probability of arrest (Worden and Myers, 2000), and it is by far the most powerful situational influence on whether the officer will act disrespectfully toward the suspect (Matrofski, et al., 2002a). Importantly, however, it is has no detectable effect on officer's use of coerceion more generally (Terrill and Matrofski, 2002). Moreover, another study, based on officer self-report data on custody arrests in six jurisdiction, found that an antagonistic demeanor, as well as physical resistance, substatially increase the likelkihood of police use of physical force (Garner, et al., 2002). thus it appears that the effect of demeanor on police behavior may be quite complex, perhaps contingent on other factors: the era (contemporary police may be less prone to apply the "attitude test")(2), the police department, and even the nature of the encounters in which police and suspects interact.

Basically, dont be an ass to the police if you want to avoid getting struck with a nightstick, and then forcibly handcuffed with a knee in your back, leaning over the cop car.

The data on how effective being nice to cops is on preventing that outcome is mixed, but all signs point toward a more favorable outcome if you are nice.

[Kagus]

people being dicks/utter idiots to retail employees is just another tuesday.

And people making a conscious effort to apologize/make up for it is extraordinarily rare, making it mean that much more when it does happen.

[Folly]

I mean...I'm sure there are some retail workers who would appreciate polite chatty customers. But I imagine there are also a lot of them who just want customers to do their business and move on. And often their bosses will reprimand them if they waste too much time dealing with any one customer. It's kind of rude to assume that people want your sympathy and compassion when they're just trying to do a job.

[MrRoboto75]

I mean...I'm sure there are some retail workers who would appreciate polite chatty customers. But I imagine there are also a lot of them who just want customers to do their business and move on. And often their bosses will reprimand them if they waste too much time dealing with any one customer. It's kind of rude to assume that people want your sympathy and compassion when they're just trying to do a job.

Why people ask me how I am doing: A pie graph I'm too lazy to make

0%: They actually give a shit about me
100%: They want me to parrot "Good" or something similar

In all honesty small talk is just a dick measuring contest all about saying utterly nothing in as many words as possible.  Its tiresome that every specimen out there wants to do this routine just to hear the sound of their own voice.

[smjjames]

Well, it's really up to trolldefender if he feels like he wants to apologize to the guy he yelled at or something.

[Naturegirl1999]

I mean...I'm sure there are some retail workers who would appreciate polite chatty customers. But I imagine there are also a lot of them who just want customers to do their business and move on. And often their bosses will reprimand them if they waste too much time dealing with any one customer. It's kind of rude to assume that people want your sympathy and compassion when they're just trying to do a job.

Why people ask me how I am doing: A pie graph I'm too lazy to make

0%: They actually give a shit about me
100%: They want me to parrot "Good" or something similar

In all honesty small talk is just a dick measuring contest all about saying utterly nothing in as many words as possible.  Its tiresome that every specimen out there wants to do this routine just to hear the sound of their own voice.

I do not do small talk, it seems pointless to me, however people want to do small talk before talking about bigger topics. I do not understand why people want to talk about nothing

[Il Palazzo]

Small talk is not pointless. It binds the social structure together. Make an effort.

[Naturegirl1999]

Small talk is not pointless. It binds the social structure together. Make an effort.

I do make efforts. I am not good at it. I tend to talk about topics that others don’t like talking about. Because of this, I have learned that I am not good at starting conversations, but I am ok at joining/continuing them. So I tend to join existing conversations rather than start new ones. I can talk to people if they want me to talk to them. I am just not one to start the interaction. I don’t hate talking, I just don’t do small talk too well. I’ve gotten better at it, I think. It is possible to talk to people not using small talk. It is not the only method of binding social structures. There are other forms of talk. I can assure you that I am not breaking the social bindings.

[MrRoboto75]

Small talk is not pointless. It binds the social structure together. Make an effort.

People forcing conversation like a wet fart, simply because my job ensures I have to deal with each and every one of them and their maybe 10 at most topics out of 100s of people makes me want to leave society via a rope and tree, not bind to it.

Maybe extroverted assholes should make an effort to understand not every person they encounter wants to chat about the fucking weather, especially when they cannot leave.

[Il Palazzo]

If you're in customer service, then small talk is pretty much a part of your job description.

[Naturegirl1999]

Small talk is not pointless. It binds the social structure together. Make an effort.

People forcing conversation like a wet fart, simply because my job ensures I have to deal with each and every one of them and their maybe 10 at most topics out of 100s of people makes me want to leave society via a rope and tree, not bind to it.

Maybe extroverted assholes should make an effort to understand not every person they encounter wants to chat about the fucking weather, especially when they cannot leave.

Yes, I am a person who would rather talk about politics than the weather. Unfortunately people would rather talk about the weather than how the US may or may not be trying to provoke Iran into war

[Zangi]

Relavent: https://notalwaysright.com
Customers and other assorted humans being human.

[nenjin]

I do customer service. I try to keep the small talk short, sweet and secondary. I'm busy, they're busy (usually) so I'll give it lip service before moving right to "what do you need." But yes, it is a required part of the job. If the customer doesn't want to immediately launch in to their issue, you have to give them the space to get there.

Unless I'm stupidly busy, at which point I will cut them off and be like "Hey, so what problem did you need addressed?"

[MrRoboto75]

If you're in customer service, then small talk is pretty much a part of your job description.

Non-retail won't hire me as job requirements have over inflated to hell and back 6 times.