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[Lord Shonus]

The INF has been dead for years, as Russia has been openly building and deploying weapons in violation of it. If anything, ending it completely makes things safer, as percieved advantage is the most destabilizing factor in nuclear politics.

[Teneb]

The INF has been dead for years, as Russia has been openly building and deploying weapons in violation of it. If anything, ending it completely makes things safer, as percieved advantage is the most destabilizing factor in nuclear politics.

Yeah. Both sides simply dropped the pretense that they were respecting the deal. What's worrisome is that this may be a prelude to the US dropping out of other, more important, deals.

[Lord Shonus]

While President Cheeto will always provide that fear,.this particular situation isn't really a..precedent for it. As I said, the US withdrawal was a direct result of flagrant violations from the other side - a situation where the treaty is already dissolved de facto. That is different from arbitrarily pulling.out of other treatires.

[hector13]

Like the Paris Climate Treaty and Iran Deal, you mean?

[Dunamisdeos]

Specifically not like that, I think he means.

[hector13]

He has form for arbitrarily pulling out of treaties, is what I meant.

[Lord Shonus]

Like the Paris Climate Treaty and Iran Deal, you mean?

Those were agreements, not treaties. Never ratified by Congress. There's a major difference.

[Teneb]

I didn't see anything about it back then, but a brazilian newspaper got hold of an internal telegram of the national diplomatic corps (the Itamaraty) about a climate change intergovernmental meeting that happened on the last 25th in Washington.

Here be the link, run through google translate, with the transcript

tl;dr: "They are endangering our way of life. The debate is not about climate change or carbon dioxide. It's not about climate or science. It's about socialism versus capitalism."

[PTTG??]

Imagine being so in love with creating value for shareholders that you'd rather watch the world die than stop.

[Superdorf]

Imagine being so in love with creating value for shareholders that you'd rather watch the world die than stop.

There's a movie to be had there.

[hector13]

Imagine being so in love with creating value for shareholders that you'd rather watch the world die than stop.

There's a movie to be had there.

I believe there were a few made recently regarding the financial crash of ‘08.

[smjjames]

I didn't see anything about it back then, but a brazilian newspaper got hold of an internal telegram of the national diplomatic corps (the Itamaraty) about a climate change intergovernmental meeting that happened on the last 25th in Washington.

Here be the link, run through google translate, with the transcript

tl;dr: "They are endangering our way of life. The debate is not about climate change or carbon dioxide. It's not about climate or science. It's about socialism versus capitalism."

I didn't see anything about it back then, but a brazilian newspaper got hold of an internal telegram of the national diplomatic corps (the Itamaraty) about a climate change intergovernmental meeting that happened on the last 25th in Washington.

Here be the link, run through google translate, with the transcript

tl;dr: "They are endangering our way of life. The debate is not about climate change or carbon dioxide. It's not about climate or science. It's about socialism versus capitalism."

*sigh* Sometimes I wish socialism didn't even exist as a word so that people would actually say wtf they actually mean because to me, 'socialism' has no meaning anymore in politics.

I also fail to see how protecting the environment=socialism. If they don't like the 'socialism' framing, how about a Bible framing, I believe it says in there that we're supposed to be the custodians of the planet* (not in those specific words, but that's the gist of it), in multiple places even. I'm somewhat surprised that the Church doesn't embrace environmentalism harder. I know there are definetly churches with a focus on environmentalism, but if the Catholic church put their weight into it, they'd probably be a force.

*Of course, the Bible being the Bible, theres probably passages that people would interpret as God mandating consuming the Earth like locusts, to be overly dramatic.

/end minirant

[wierd]

it is not required to be a bible-beater to be a shameless capitalist.

You can find this divide in the GOP. The former simply accept the latter as their own. The thing they have in common is shameless capitalism, not the bible beating.

You can point out shameless rent seeking is admonished HARD by the bible all you want, or how it says that rich people have a harder time getting into heaven than camels have fitting through the eyes of needles, or even point out that in revelation, the thing that the survivors praise as the 7th seal is opened is the destruction of those that were destroying the earth.  It does not matter.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

There's also that one passage in James where God basically threatens to kill the rich.

As in all of them. "You have fattened yourselves on the day of slaughter."

[Yoink]

Democracy ruined capitalism.