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[sluissa]

"Not Trump" isn't a platform though.  No shit you aren't trump.  That's literally the default, people basically already know that as you have a big D next to your name.

Henceforth, the presidential primary will be decided by who has the biggest D.

EDIT:
More seriously: Did anyone else just find the debate to be frustrating to watch? It reminded me of a family dinner. Too many people to hold a coherent conversation. I just exited the thing tired, frustrated, and hating everyone involved. Also slightly nauseous.

I'm hoping once they toss out some of the trash candidates. (Looking at you, De Blasio.) It'll settle down a bit.

[Teneb]

Henceforth, the presidential primary will be decided by who has the biggest D.

"My sucessor must have the biggest D. The best D. The biggest D." -TRUMP, Donald J.

[smjjames]

"Not Trump" isn't a platform though.  No shit you aren't trump.  That's literally the default, people basically already know that as you have a big D next to your name.

Henceforth, the presidential primary will be decided by who has the biggest D.

EDIT:
More seriously: Did anyone else just find the debate to be frustrating to watch? It reminded me of a family dinner. Too many people to hold a coherent conversation. I just exited the thing tired, frustrated, and hating everyone involved. Also slightly nauseous.

I'm hoping once they toss out some of the trash candidates. (Looking at you, De Blasio.) It'll settle down a bit.

Speaking of DeBlasio, is it me or did he come off as stiff? Like his movements were oddly stiff for some reason.

[EnigmaticHat]

That implies that there was a deliberate choice to have so many candidates, which I doubt. The wide.field is mostly due to a lack of an obvious first string candidate, combine with identity politics ensuring that there was a huge variety in the "just notable enough to build a platform" tier.

Looking at the Republicans primaries under Obama, it seems to be a mix of two things.  One is people running campaigns with aims other than actually winning.  You know... publicity, book deal, pocket campaign funds, win VP.  Something like that.  The other being people who see a opportunity and are unjustifiably optimistic about their ability to seize it.  I *still* have no idea what Chris Christie expected to happen with his campaign.

[Zangi]

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/731847977/supreme-court-rules-partisan-gerrymandering-is-beyond-the-reach-of-federal-court

So if I am getting this right, gerrymandering is here to stay.

[sluissa]

In non-primary news: Kansas realizes there might be some unforseen consequences to their trolling of the courts.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/death-row-inmates-use-recent-abortion-ruling-to-argue-they-cannot-be-executed/

[Kagus]

"Not Trump" isn't a platform though.  No shit you aren't trump.  That's literally the default, people basically already know that as you have a big D next to your name.

Henceforth, the presidential primary will be decided by who has the biggest D.

EDIT:
More seriously: Did anyone else just find the debate to be frustrating to watch? It reminded me of a family dinner. Too many people to hold a coherent conversation. I just exited the thing tired, frustrated, and hating everyone involved. Also slightly nauseous.

I'm hoping once they toss out some of the trash candidates. (Looking at you, De Blasio.) It'll settle down a bit.

Speaking of DeBlasio, is it me or did he come off as stiff? Like his movements were oddly stiff for some reason.

DeBlasio is a stiff D, understood.

[Gentlefish]

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/731847977/supreme-court-rules-partisan-gerrymandering-is-beyond-the-reach-of-federal-court

So if I am getting this right, gerrymandering is here to stay.

Eh, they've ruled against hyperpartisan gerrymandering already tho. It's... weird, to say the least.

[McTraveller]

I think it's funny that the court is saying "legislators, do your jobs."  It's also amusing because on one hand people get mad when judges "legislate from the courts" and here the courts are saying "we can't comment on this because it's not in the laws" so people get mad.

I do not like gerrymandering, Sam I Am, but unless you eliminate districts entirely, there's not even an objective mathematical way you can avoid "unfair" district lines.  Even proposed rules like "must be convex and contiguous" don't really work; say you have a perfectly circular state with three districts.  You can make three pie piece districts with even 120 degree separation.  But where you place those dividing lines - there are an infinite number of locations for those.  So someone will complain that you didn't draw if fairly.

[smjjames]

I can understand contiguous to control stuff like pinching it or having large separate blocks connected by a thin corridor, but convex? The only times I can see a convex district line is if it’s following a river or a road.

[nenjin]

I think it's funny that the court is saying "legislators, do your jobs."  It's also amusing because on one hand people get mad when judges "legislate from the courts" and here the courts are saying "we can't comment on this because it's not in the laws" so people get mad.

I do not like gerrymandering, Sam I Am, but unless you eliminate districts entirely, there's not even an objective mathematical way you can avoid "unfair" district lines.  Even proposed rules like "must be convex and contiguous" don't really work; say you have a perfectly circular state with three districts.  You can make three pie piece districts with even 120 degree separation.  But where you place those dividing lines - there are an infinite number of locations for those.  So someone will complain that you didn't draw if fairly.

In the case of a circle though, you could run the numbers to find the most equal (as in all districts represent roughly the same number of votes.)

The inevitable debate would be "is that even fair?" Shouldn't whole regions that identify one way (say, predominantly rural agriculture voters versus urban blue and white collar voters) have to share the same district with their polar political opposites, even though they lead very differently lives with very different political priorities? Might either side claim that they got screwed when a representative is elected that isn't, well, representative of them?

[SalmonGod]

House Passes Senate Border Bill in Striking Defeat for Pelosi

Her retreat came after Vice President Mike Pence gave Ms. Pelosi private assurances that the administration would abide by some of the restrictions she had sought.

heh... heh.... hahahahahahahhaaha

“I blame Senate Democrats first and foremost for putting us in this position,” said Representative Pramila Jayapal, Democrat of Washington and a chairwoman of the progressive caucus.

Asked how such a collapse could be avoided in the future, Ms. Jayapal said, “I am looking for a new pharmaceutical drug that builds spines.”

But ultimately, divisions in the House, not differences with the Senate, forced Ms. Pelosi’s hand. Moderate Democrats privately told House Democratic leaders that they were wary of supporting a bill that provided less money for ICE that could later be used against them in their re-election campaigns to portray them as weak on immigration enforcement, according to two lawmakers and several aides familiar with the discussions who described them on the condition of anonymity.

The state of current political discourse: complicity with literal concentration camps that torture and kill children with neglect is considered "moderate".

This is how a nation slides into fascism.  What will we be calling moderate tomorrow?

[smjjames]

'a new pharmaceutical drug that builds spine', I think that's called booze. Not that it'd be a good idea to get the entire congress drunk 24/7.

[Frumple]

Actually you might get better results with like fucking ecstacy. Iirc there's at least one or two recreational drugs that make you more social and whatnot, less raging fuckstick. Hold down every fucker that voted for that and inject directly into the veins until they stop doing heinous shit or just stop period.

Though yeah, from what I'm picking up the senate basically screwed pelosi and co on that one. Be nice if someone named and shamed whoever those "moderate" house dems are, though. Assuming they are and it's not just entertain news indulging in shitstirring, anyway.

[smjjames]

I think more fuckstick and GROW 1000 BALLS! is what is meant by grow a spine, not 'be more social'.

Also, apparently McConnell called making DC and Puerto Rico states 'socialist'. This is what pisses me off about the usage of the word socialist in modern political discourse, it gets used as a replacement for 'idea that I don't like', even for things that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with socialism.