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[sluissa]

Wow... that is very difficult to read. Almost painful. And it's not just the writing and grammar, the whole page. The layout. The font. The lack of indents. The weird way the incredibly thin lettering gets lost in the bright white background despite the text simply being black.

This is incredible.

[Dorsidwarf]

Wow... that is very difficult to read. Almost painful. And it's not just the writing and grammar, the whole page. The layout. The font. The lack of indents. The weird way the incredibly thin lettering gets lost in the bright white background despite the text simply being black.

This is incredible.

I didnt find it hard to read at all. The text was rambly but not worse written than most forum posts or online discussion (which is presumably where they got the twenty-odd personal stories on here from). The font is clear and bold, with large simple lettering making it clearly visible unless you've done something weird to your monitor. I've no idea what you mean by "lack of indents", but the only complaint I really have about the format is that it's not very clear where each story ends and begins due to pale dividers.

[PTTG??]

If the democrats nominate Biden, I honestly don't know what I'll do. Maybe write in Bernie.

Not because I especially dislike Biden, but rather because it'll prove that the Democrats prefer their little club of ancient people to actually winning elections -- and the only thing I like about Democrats is that they take elections away from Republicans.

[ChairmanPoo]

I understand the sentiment of "Sure, we're impoverished and need healthcare, but we got somebody on the moon!", but the delivery of that message is unacceptably racist in that clip. When you have to make your argument be intrinsically about race, instead of how unacceptable your condition is, you are only making the problem of race tension worse.

The conditions of the racially oppressed are a consequence of them being a race that is oppressed. It doesn't just happen. When you tell people that they aren't allowed to give voice to their oppression you empower those who oppress them, who demand and rely upon a silent tension rather than a voiced one. The tension is there either way.

Space exploration has historically been empowering for racial minorities. You forget that Mr Armstrong was the first afroamerican trumpet player to  step on the moon. AND then he went on to win the tour de France five times.

[Karnewarrior]

I understand the sentiment of "Sure, we're impoverished and need healthcare, but we got somebody on the moon!", but the delivery of that message is unacceptably racist in that clip. When you have to make your argument be intrinsically about race, instead of how unacceptable your condition is, you are only making the problem of race tension worse.

The conditions of the racially oppressed are a consequence of them being a race that is oppressed. It doesn't just happen. When you tell people that they aren't allowed to give voice to their oppression you empower those who oppress them, who demand and rely upon a silent tension rather than a voiced one. The tension is there either way.

Space exploration has historically been empowering for racial minorities. You forget that Mr Armstrong was the first afroamerican trumpet player to  step on the moon. AND then he went on to win the tour de France five times.

Poo, mate, we've dropped the topic. Nothing we were saying was getting through, it was just yelling back and forth about how "unrealistic" space travel was. It's over.

If the democrats nominate Biden, I honestly don't know what I'll do. Maybe write in Bernie.

Not because I especially dislike Biden, but rather because it'll prove that the Democrats prefer their little club of ancient people to actually winning elections -- and the only thing I like about Democrats is that they take elections away from Republicans.

I can't vote for Bernie this time. I like his policies, but the way he dipped out of the Democratic party and then right back in for the election was shady as hell, I agree with my Dad on that.

Winning a pissing contest with the DNC is pointless if it means another 4 years of Trump. Forget about his administration issues, giving his supporters another victory will only make them stronger, and that kind of self-destructive ideology needs to die a swift death. I'll be more than willing to vote for whatever ancient Democrat cronie they put up, because at least he won't flinch when someone says "socialism".

I'd much rather someone younger and more progressive win, but we *do* need the support of the Conservatives if we're going to oust the republicans, and that means no Bernie.

[Frumple]

I'd really just prefer no fuckdamn ancient people at all. My general vote won't change -- it's going to be whatever isn't running on the R ticket -- but I'm not voting for a goddamn septuagenarian in the primary, full stop. Not bernie, not biden, not whatever other corpses manage to exhume themselves for a presidential end run.

[smjjames]

If the democrats nominate Biden, I honestly don't know what I'll do. Maybe write in Bernie.

Not because I especially dislike Biden, but rather because it'll prove that the Democrats prefer their little club of ancient people to actually winning elections -- and the only thing I like about Democrats is that they take elections away from Republicans.

I can't vote for Bernie this time. I like his policies, but the way he dipped out of the Democratic party and then right back in for the election was shady as hell, I agree with my Dad on that.

Hasn't he always done the 'dip in and out of the Democratic party' thing? It's far from a new thing. The DNC did make him sign a (probably non-legally binding) statement that he would run as a Democrat if nominated. Not sure if that's what they normally do, but it sounds like the DNC is afraid of any of the candidates threatening to go rogue as Trump did

Winning a pissing contest with the DNC is pointless if it means another 4 years of Trump. Forget about his administration issues, giving his supporters another victory will only make them stronger, and that kind of self-destructive ideology needs to die a swift death. I'll be more than willing to vote for whatever ancient Democrat cronie they put up, because at least he won't flinch when someone says "socialism".

He seems to have won that pissing fight as far as I can tell, it's the Clinton supporters who want to continue that pissing contest. Also, the word 'socialism' (and Marxism and Communism, and any word related to those) should be banned from the political lexicon unless used in it's explicit dictionary definition because it's current political definition is 'thing that I don't like and don't want to talk about or offer an actual policy for'.

I'd much rather someone younger and more progressive win, but we *do* need the support of the Conservatives if we're going to oust the republicans, and that means no Bernie.

The only problem with getting more conservatives on board is that the candidate needs to be less progressive. At least that's the stereotype.

Still, I think you're underestimating tribalism somewhat, the great majority of Republicans/consdervatives will still vote for whoever is part of their tribe, same for Democrats. That's not to say that the edges (the fence sitters if you will) of that support can't be eroded and the fight is going to come down to those on the edges. Not sure how much Republican support Beto O'Rourke pulled in during his campaign, but the argument was that if he had pivoted to center a little or maybe did a better campaign (I don't think theres consensus on that though) he would have won Texas.

[sluissa]

I'm not as pro-bernie as I was last time, but faulting the guy for playing the system when the system is as broken as it is, is a little unfair. I'm for the emergence of a viable third party, but the system as it currently stands will not allow that. When you're only given two choices, and you don't like either of them, you deal with the cards that are on the table. I'm not registered with the party I'm registered with because I agree with the way they do things, but because that's the only way I get a say in the primaries.

I tend to view bernie as doing the same thing. In the unlikely situation a candidate I really liked ran republican... I'd have just as little problem flipping over there to vote them into the primary. I don't identify as part of the party I'm registered under. I simply checked a box so I'd have a say in at least half of the process.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Winning a pissing contest with the DNC is pointless if it means another 4 years of Trump. Forget about his administration issues, giving his supporters another victory will only make them stronger, and that kind of self-destructive ideology needs to die a swift death. I'll be more than willing to vote for whatever ancient Democrat cronie they put up, because at least he won't flinch when someone says "socialism".

I'd much rather someone younger and more progressive win, but we *do* need the support of the Conservatives if we're going to oust the republicans, and that means no Bernie.

When Biden loses by multiple states and drops a racial slur in his concession speech I'm going to put this post in my sig forever.

[LordBaal]

What would you hope about Bernie? I mean he's being pictured as a ultraleft guy that would make Lennin and Stalin blush... but in reality, what would you hope from him? Which other democratic guy would you vote for? Or which Republican if that's the case?

[smjjames]

What would you hope about Bernie? I mean he's being pictured as a ultraleft guy that would make Lennin and Stalin blush... but in reality, what would you hope from him? Which other democratic guy would you vote for? Or which Republican if that's the case?

Pfft, what sources are you getting that image from? That's what Republicans want you to think. He's certainly pretty far left... for the US, which doesn't really have a true Left because Cold War. Though that is changing since a true Left is trying to develop.

Also, I have absolutely no idea what to the left of Lenin and Stalin would look like, other than maybe Even-More-Hardcore-Communism, and Bernie Sanders isn't that.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Bernie's use is threefold.

A. Materially liberating polices like Medicare For All, free college, crackdowns on police brutality, a federal jobs guarantee, and generally fucking over the rich will permit American leftists to spread and grow more freely as well as obviously being the right thing to do.

B. Like with Trump, his victory in this election will mark the ascendancy of democratic socialists within the Democratic Party and they will grow in number massively.

C. As Commander in Chief he will serve as a severe obstacle to US imperialism, which will provide opportunity to leftists the world over to not get overthrown and murdered by American-backed coups. Should the CIA kill him he may also become a martyr.

As for the others? Depends on how I feel. I won't vote for Kamala because she's a cop or Biden because he's a segregationist, but I would vote for Warren and I'd hold my nose for Booker. If anybody else wins the nomination we're just straight fucked and I'll forget about the election and immediately launch into accelerationist agitation.

[LordBaal]

Sure by this height I have learnt to believe between 0 to 50% a politician says, and even then is with a grain of salt, specially when it's about another politician.

I would guess I could be a Republican if I lived on the US but only in spite of what the left have done to my country,  not only the revolution but the left before it.

Being born and raised on the US probably would be center left on most things and center rigth on a few others.

My grandfather used to said, roughly translated, "opposites touch eachother". That means, is as bad as being a extremist in an aspect as the other.

I guess the intention of my question would be what would make an ideal candidate from either party, or even a third one in a "Khang and Kodos" type of situation.

[smjjames]

No idea if your grandfather had ever heard of it (probably not as it became well known in popular culture pretty recently), but that's basically the essence of the Horseshoe Theory in that the more extreme you get on either side, the more similar that they appear in some ways. The theory itself does have it's critics and it's definetly not a 'Universial Theory of Everything' for politics.

edit: Incidentially, that theory also gets into the 'both siderism' fallacy.

edit2: At least, without directly asking your grandpa, it just sounds like he's talking about that theory.

[LordBaal]

Well asking him now would require the Edison thing for spaking with the death. Dunno, he used it mostly for things like eating too much or too little of a specific foodstuff, or doing too few or too much excersicise. He also used it on deeper stuff like attachment with people and things, or opinions on matters that could not be absolutes (things like drinking chlorine being bad for you ie.).

He was a wisdom tree that lasted 99 years. I really miss him but sometimes am also thankful he's not passing through all this here.

Edit: To finish the topic, Trekkin is not invited to our super dupper Moon base once murica finish doing it (I'll be there because I will be the gardener, coming from the "communist Mexico" and all that).

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