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[smjjames]

Morever Supreme Court Justices aren't necessarily former Judges: there's little in the way of qualifications. what would you have us evaluate then?

Alright this is the problem, right there. There is no standard. Anything goes. This is the root of the problem. You have one party trying to place a drunkard in office and the other rolling in the mud to sling dirt at him. This is a shitshow all around.
What would you evaluate ? I don't know. It's not my place to imagine standards. But I think there should be standard.

The problem is more that it's an entirely political proccess, theres no way that a standard would be agreed upon except in the most general terms.

[Madman198237]

Actually the frontal cortex is not fully developed, on average for men, until age 28 or so, IIRC. Maybe it was 29. In fact, the specific parts of it that handle impulse control are the last to fully develop, which is one reason that teenagers and college students are impulsive and do stupid things.

That doesn't excuse such behaviors by any means, but it is something to remember when considering something that happened during those years decades after the fact.

[nenjin]

Actually the frontal cortex is not fully developed, on average for men, until age 28 or so, IIRC. Maybe it was 29. In fact, the specific parts of it that handle impulse control are the last to fully develop, which is one reason that teenagers and college students are impulsive and do stupid things.

That doesn't excuse such behaviors by any means, but it is something to remember when considering something that happened during those years decades after the fact.

Otherwise known as the "boys will be boys" defense.

[Cathar]

This was NOT a criminal investigation.

Alright everyone keep repeating that. Kavanaugh is not a criminal, Ford should have woken up twenty years ago and now it's too late, and Kavanaugh was hired for his job. Franckly I don't see where the problem is.
I mean, yeah. The problem is you keep putting in office people who put the whole world in danger and it's a tad more sickening than what happens in a frat party, but maybe the issue is with your whole process and not with just douche number n.

Seriously, if that is an issue that is so serious, why did Democrat bring Ford into the hearing ? Why did they made this the farce it was ? Seriously someone explain, because yeah I legit don't understand.

Just ; if someone is handed over an atom bomb, I legit don't care who he is humping or what he did when he was 16. I legit don't give a damn. The only question I'm interested it is ; will he use the godamn bomb.

[smjjames]

Seriously, if that is an issue that is so serious, why did Democrat bring Ford into the hearing ? Why did they made this the farce it was ? Seriously someone explain, because yeah I legit don't understand.

Ford wanted the hearing, not the other way around, and 'why did they make this the farce that it was' is something people are wondering about over here. If you're looking for a simple answer, there isn't one because it's steeped in complex history.

[Cathar]

Alright, guess I'll listen to the hearrings, but I don't expect anything to blow my mind
Thanks for having been respectful

Edit :  Holy shit seven hours. I'm doing this for you, USA.

[Folly]

Yes, ideally Kavanaugh should have been judged on his merits. But the Republicans withheld 95% of his records and started the hearing mere hours after the 5% was released, giving nobody the time or means to prepare a real case for or against him.

Yes, baseless slander is a bad thing. But in my opinion it is a lesser evil compared to allowing a nominee of dubious background to be ushered into a lasting position of power without doing anything. Republicans started this fight and immediately backed the Democrats into a corner, so of course the Democrats started fighting dirty. Both sides were in the wrong, but any objective observer can clearly see where the greater fault lies.

[Cathar]

Yeah, so...One hour in and this is a pure waste of time. Franckly if you don't go to the police after an assault happen, you don't get to complain to the court of public opinion 36 years later.

And god, I really want the democrats to win the next elections, I do, and I hope we can have normal ally relations again in the future when you have regained your sanity as a country, but jesus hearing them talk makes me puke in my mouth a bit.

This is really, really bad. One of them uses that dead horse statistics that 2/3 of the sexual assault victims don't report their assault to justify Ford not telling the police like it's any justification.
One of them even use the catchphrase "boys will be boys". Jesus christ will they stop using that whistle, the dogs are going crazy all over the neighbourhood.

Ok. I get it. This is the usual bickering about non-issues, that go nowhere and with no one in the discussion having their facts straight. No facts, no stats, no reliable information sources. Went through one hour of pointless hearsay and dog whistling, tapping out now.

I guess it works as a surrogate for a vivid political life in the US, because your opinion on Dr. Ford's testimony will likely fall on the lines of who is your party of choice, so medias can eingeneer a fake political conflict and get electoral bases into a frenzy, as usual.

[smjjames]

Yeah, so...One hour in and this is a pure waste of time. Franckly if you don't go to the police after an assault happen, you don't get to complain to the court of public opinion 36 years later.

There were reasons why she didn't go to the police, the foremost being that the police wouldn't believe her and wouldn't get legal attention, not to mention stuff like embarrassment since she was supposedly not supposed to be at the party because parents.

I guess it works as a surrogate for a vivid political life in the US, because your opinion on Dr. Ford's testimony will likely fall on the lines of who is your party of choice, so medias can eingeneer a fake political conflict and get electoral bases into a frenzy, as usual.

The political conflict is plenty real, you just haven't been following the whole thing from the start, which is understandable for someone outside the US. Though yes, it ended up being a political shitstorm because it ended up being a he said/she said and the Republicans wouldn't allow a real investigation to happen.

edit: Frigging hell, Avenatti really did screw it up, whether he meant to or not.

[Shazbot]

He was judged on his merits. He passed on his merits. Otherwise why engage in the groping accusation shitshow at the last possible moment? Frankly, I know rape survivors absolutely disgusted at Ford because her accusation seemed entirely fabricated and contains provable lies. Fake accusations are why the police can't "believe all women". Lynchings are what you get otherwise. 

But he's in now, and laws defying Roe v. Wade are already being debated through the courts. Its a shame hundreds of thousands will still die before it reaches the Supreme Court, just as millions have died in the decades before, but plantations weren't emancipated nor Auschwitz liberated in a day.

[smjjames]

As for merits, it depends on who you ask really. And yeah, Chuck Grassley said that there is a mechanism to deal with stuff like that and keep Ford's identity safe, so, it seems to me like theres really no reason to not use that mechanism.

The Democrats crying about inappropriate/improper behavior found in previous FBI investigations was blatant as hell though.

[Rolan7]

Come now, he didn't pass on merits.  This was the most partisan nomination of a Supreme Court justice in history, forced through despite heavy controversy in order to outrun a people's referendum.

I respect your belief about fetuses, though I don't agree with it.  I see the nobility in fighting for lives which can't defend themselves.

I am more concerned with existing lives, actually living in horrific conditions, which need our help.  But I see the case for not squandering potential.

That doesn't make this okay.  The Republicans will eventually pay for how they've abused the public trust, playing every card and cache they have, desperately.
I don't disagree with their entire platform, but as an organization?  They've built up too much ill-will, because they're too confident that their base will vote automatically.

[Cathar]

I see the nobility in fighting for lives which can't defend themselves.

The debate between pro choice and pro infanticide is truely the big question of the XIXth century.

edit: Frigging hell, Avenatti really did screw it up, whether he meant to or not.

I feel this predates Avenatti by a long shot, but I find amuzing how the sexual morale highground is passed like a ball between Reps and Dems.
Last decade, the Reps were all up in arms about the out-of-marriage affairs of those nihilistic morale relativist godless democrats who fuck everything. Now the Dems are gearing up against those chauvinistic mysoginist women hating reps. This and "videogames cause violence" is not really a political "left vs right" issue as much as it is a "modern vs victorian era" issue

Also I do not accept for a second the excuse of "but police wouldn't believe me". For one because this is not true as far as I know, sexual assault victims are treated with extreme defference as far as I know, and second because this is irrelevant. If police doesn't believe you, you don't get a second chance with the mob 36 years later. Not in a democratic country.

[WealthyRadish]

I think your biggest mistake here is assuming that the US is a modern country. Instead, imagine you're communicating through a time-warp back to the 1880s, and our political culture will make more sense.

[smjjames]

I see the nobility in fighting for lives which can't defend themselves.

The debate between pro choice and pro infanticide is truely the big question of the XIXth century.

edit: Frigging hell, Avenatti really did screw it up, whether he meant to or not.

I feel this predates Avenatti by a long shot, but I find amuzing how the sexual morale highground is passed like a ball between Reps and Dems.
Last decade, the Reps were all up in arms about the out-of-marriage affairs of those nihilistic morale relativist godless democrats who fuck everything. Now the Dems are gearing up against those chauvinistic mysoginist women hating reps. This and "videogames cause violence" is not really a political "left vs right" issue as much as it is a "modern vs victorian era" issue

Also I do not accept for a second the excuse of "but police wouldn't believe me". For one because this is not true as far as I know, sexual assault victims are treated with extreme defference as far as I know, and second because this is irrelevant. If police doesn't believe you, you don't get a second chance with the mob 36 years later. Not in a democratic country.

I think you mean two decades ago? I'm assuming you're referring to the Clinton adminstration.

Anyways, it didn't seem like the fact that Avenatti is the lawyer of a porn star was the issue (the moral high ground as you say, and only Trump really brought that up), it was just the way he inserted himself into the whole thing while playing politics by saying he really could run in 2020.