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[MrRoboto75]

As to the op-ed, there's a growing suspicion (based around some idiosyncratic word choices like "lodestar") that the writer could be none other than one Michael Richard Pence, 48th Vice-President of the United States. While it would be kinda hilarious for Pence to be the Brutus to Trump's Caesar*, I worry that Pence would then present himself as the Savior of the Republic and try to use that to defend his own legitimacy and get everyone to accede to his being sworn in if the 25th Amendment is invoked. And frankly, fuck that noise. Pence needs to take his Christian Dominionist ass back to Crackerville, Indiana and step aside if Trump goes down.

hmmm, trump stabbed 50 times by congress

[RedKing]

As to the op-ed, there's a growing suspicion (based around some idiosyncratic word choices like "lodestar") that the writer could be none other than one Michael Richard Pence, 48th Vice-President of the United States. While it would be kinda hilarious for Pence to be the Brutus to Trump's Caesar*, I worry that Pence would then present himself as the Savior of the Republic and try to use that to defend his own legitimacy and get everyone to accede to his being sworn in if the 25th Amendment is invoked. And frankly, fuck that noise. Pence needs to take his Christian Dominionist ass back to Crackerville, Indiana and step aside if Trump goes down.

hmmm, trump stabbed 50 times by congress

I'd be cool with that, as long as it was bipartisan. Susan Collins looks like she could shank a fool.

[smjjames]

While I get that it's in the context of Caesar and non-serious, I'd rather veer away from discussion of actual assassination. >.>

Getting metaphorically shanked though, sure.

[RedKing]

While I get that it's in the context of Caesar and non-serious, I'd rather veer away from discussion of actual assassination. >.>

Getting metaphorically shanked though, sure.

Pfft....wuss. 

Mike Pence's Twitter feed is getting blown up with people congratulating him on his fine Op-Ed piece in the NYT today. 
#VeepThroat

[Karnewarrior]

While I get that it's in the context of Caesar and non-serious, I'd rather veer away from discussion of actual assassination. >.>

Getting metaphorically shanked though, sure.

Then make sure to keep as much momentum as possible in the blue wave hitting pollboxes in these recent primaries. If nothing else than to put more pressure on Putin's Probe Teams and hope they fuck up and get caught red handed.

And if there are no probe ops and no fraud, then we have a congress full of dems and a president who doesn't understand the law - a fine combination for getting rid of Trump without actual bloodshed. As much as I enjoy the Wolfenstein games, I don't think it wise to have gunbattles with nazis in the streets. For one, I am getting pudgy and slow, and thus am not BJ Blaskowitz.

Mike Pence's Twitter feed is getting blown up with people congratulating him on his fine Op-Ed piece in the NYT today. 
#VeepThroat

That's fucking funny. I almost hope it's not him, because if Trump thinks it's him, cream cheese is going to have a bad couple of years.

Much like the gays at his camps.

[smjjames]

As for the idiosyncratic 'lodestar', I don't think I've ever heard Pence actually use that word. Also, I've read in an article that often times people who leak stuff will use other peoples speech patterns to throw those searching for the leaker off the trail. So, it could be that.

[RedKing]

As much as I'd love to see a Blue Wave come crashing down on the President, this needs to be a bipartisan takedown. Republicans have to be partly responsible as well, or they can wash their hands of this, breath a sigh of relief that Trump is gone, and then scream that his takedown was pure partisanship and use that to fleece their rubes for more campaign donations.

I don't want them to get off scot-free from this. They own this human shit stain, they need to be involved in removing it. And then the GOP itself should be rendered impotent, consigned to the Constitution Party-tier of also-rans. The Dems can then have the long overdue party split into Corporate Centrists and Democratic Socialists as our new two-party paradigm.

[smjjames]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/09/05/all-the-speculation-thats-fit-to-tweet-who-wrote-that-anonymous-times-op-ed/?utm_term=.aa3a2b94516c Pence apparently has many times in the past used the word 'lodestar'. I'm betting that it's a diversion to put the attention onto Pence as he would be safe from being removed, should Trump go full broadside on him.

Could also be someone who wants to diminish Pences role, given all the backstabbing. Though I'm not sure that the NYT would accept an anonymous op-ed if they knew or figured that it was for backstabbing purposes.

[misko27]

As to the op-ed, there's a growing suspicion (based around some idiosyncratic word choices like "lodestar") that the writer could be none other than one Michael Richard Pence, 48th Vice-President of the United States.

I read somewhere that one leaker in the administration confessed to noting and then using the idiosyncrasies of other members of the administration to protect their own identity.

it's worth considering. It's an unusual word. If it's not Pence, pinning Pence might be the safest thing for everyone who isn't Pence in the administration, since the suspicion would be on someone who is safe. Trump would make Pence suffer, but others would be safe-ish. Heh. I wonder if Pence will see the funny side of suffering for their sins.

Just a bunch of people vying for power; to what extent they are doing so in fear of the destruction of the country is another matter. If anything else, they just don't want Trump thrown out of the White House and to be out of a job.

Perhaps that's too Machiavellian of a presumption, though.

Not nearly Machiavellian enough, really. Being tossed out of the White House lands you some fantastic book deals if you turn against Trump, or a cushy job in the outer Trumposphere if you don't. If anything, staying in the White House at this point is a sign of insufficient greed... so either they have principles, "principles", or have a desire for power that matches their tolerance for pain.

There's gonna be some great movies about the back end of the Trump White House.

[RedKing]

There's gonna be some great movies about the back end of the Trump White House.

Now I picture Alec Baldwin in Trump costume, slamming his fist on a desk and yelling "FEGELEIN!" over and over.

[Rolan7]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/09/05/all-the-speculation-thats-fit-to-tweet-who-wrote-that-anonymous-times-op-ed/?utm_term=.aa3a2b94516c Pence apparently has many times in the past used the word 'lodestar'. I'm betting that it's a diversion to put the attention onto Pence as he would be safe from being removed, should Trump go full broadside on him.

Could also be someone who wants to diminish Pences role, given all the backstabbing. Though I'm not sure that the NYT would accept an anonymous op-ed if they knew or figured that it was for backstabbing purposes.

That's a really good point, I didn't think about Pence.  The Republican bloc literally in the wing.  Someone Trump surely resents.

I still think it's a false-flag rallying cry of Trump's base, and yet another media redirection, and retroactive justification for every promise he's failed to deliver.  Every failure of the administration, down to the absurd delay with appointing executive positions.

"Establishment spies!  They outright admitted as much, to FAKE NEWS!"

Buuuuuuuut, it could be an attempt on Pence.
And I don't know how to feel about that, exactly.

I mean, not to split hairs, but Trump doesn't give a rat-hair about abortion.  He's probably tepidly *for* reproductive rights, as a womanizer.
He certainly isn't for the sanctity of marriage.

Who would say Trump is "reverent"?
Honestly, and maybe Dun can back me up here, I doubt Trump has a Christian inclination at all.
So naturally he would want to discredit his Zealous Christian and Republican Establishment running mate.

Because if I were him, I would also be deathly afraid of Pence.  Brutus.  The Republicans tolerate Trump as long as they have to, and no longer.  Pence is extreme, but he's *they're* extreme.  Not electable.
directly

[RedKing]

Incidentally, I recall from... something, not exactly sure what, noting that Pence was very much biding his time and waiting for the chance to take over. I'd have to dig that up from wherever I read it.


FAKEDIT: Ah, there we go. Obviously I can't speak towards the accuracy of the article, but it would sure as hell make this recent debacle (note that this was published 5 days ago) even more notable should the op-ed have been written by Pence.

There was a lady from "Women For Trump" (yes, apparently such an organization exists) on CNN this evening basically pointing this out and yelling "Where the hell is Mike Pence? Why isn't he sticking up for Trump?"

When the Dem talking-head playfully suggested that he might be busy writing an op-ed for the NYT, she didn't seem dismissive of the idea and said that if he was the author he should resign immediately. In some ways, it's kinda breathtaking to see the devotion these people have. They will happily devour their own at the drop of a red MAGA hat, if Orange Leader says the word.

[Trekkin]

I don't think it was Pence. He has too much to lose by being the next sink for all the MAGA hatred and losing his base -- and he's there mostly to make America a theocracy, which is going to need policy he needs a certain amount of public support to have a chance of getting through Congress.

I think it was one of the eager young gunners who rolled into Washington, red hats on heads, to drain the swamp and make Cheeto Jesus' memetic presidency work and incidentally position themselves to be the next swamp when the water level rose again before realizing that the Young Republicans Club lied to them and having worked in the Trump administration is going to be the kiss of death for the next fifty years. Someone too high up to think they could shrug it off as just taking a job at the White House because that's what you do when you're an ambitious kid, but not so high that they can have a soft landing as a basically decorative consultant somewhere and come back as a "statesman." Someone young, too, or at least Washington young, so they don't want to retire in shame. Someone who, in the grand political tradition, is still trying to climb the ladder even after someone's set fire to the upper landing, and they think they can do that by being fired for something they can spin as being a good patriot.

[smjjames]

As to the op-ed, there's a growing suspicion (based around some idiosyncratic word choices like "lodestar") that the writer could be none other than one Michael Richard Pence, 48th Vice-President of the United States.

I read somewhere that one leaker in the administration confessed to noting and then using the idiosyncrasies of other members of the administration to protect their own identity.

it's worth considering. It's an unusual word. If it's not Pence, pinning Pence might be the safest thing for everyone who isn't Pence in the administration, since the suspicion would be on someone who is safe. Trump would make Pence suffer, but others would be safe-ish. Heh. I wonder if Pence will see the funny side of suffering for their sins.

Just a bunch of people vying for power; to what extent they are doing so in fear of the destruction of the country is another matter. If anything else, they just don't want Trump thrown out of the White House and to be out of a job.

Perhaps that's too Machiavellian of a presumption, though.

Not nearly Machiavellian enough, really. Being tossed out of the White House lands you some fantastic book deals if you turn against Trump, or a cushy job in the outer Trumposphere if you don't. If anything, staying in the White House at this point is a sign of insufficient greed... so either they have principles, "principles", or have a desire for power that matches their tolerance for pain.

There's gonna be some great movies about the back end of the Trump White House.

You’re probably thinking of the same article I am, except that it wasn’t this administration. At least I don’t remember the mentioned person being from this admin.

@ispil: There was an article (an opinion piece I think) saying that Pence is basically just biding his time and possibly run on VP credentials, but VP isn’t a common launchpad to the Presidency through electoral means.

Just checked wiki and the only VPs that directly became President via electoral means (as opposed to the President dying in some fashion or resigning, also not counting being re-elected after ascending via mentioned means) are John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Martin van Buren, Richard Nixon (he succeeded later though rather than right after), and George HW Bush.

[Starver]

If I were to suggest that someone's guilty conscience was tweaked then it would be an allegation. But I don't think he's got a leg to stand on given parody/satire protections, and is just making it worse for himself.


Meanwhile, This guy doesn't realise/acknowledge/admit that however good/bad the algorithm, quantity alone is not the only sign of quality. The opposite, in fact.