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Trekkin

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21795 on: July 17, 2018, 12:13:48 pm »
Quote from: Strongpoint on July 17, 2018, 11:47:30 am
Are Trumps relations with Putin are that out of line for an American President?

I fail too see how his behavior is much worse than Obama's "reset" with the very same dictator right after invasion into Georgia.  Can you imagine the level of media reaction if Trump said something like "reset"?

I can say the same about Bush inviting Putin to his ranch soon after Putin killed tens of thousands in Chechnya. Imagine Trump inviting Putin to one of his golf courses.

Well, Putin had not attacked America then.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21796 on: July 17, 2018, 12:44:53 pm »
Quote from: Strongpoint on July 17, 2018, 11:47:30 am
Are Trumps relations with Putin are that out of line for an American President?

I fail too see how his behavior is much worse than Obama's "reset" with the very same dictator right after invasion into Georgia.  Can you imagine the level of media reaction if Trump said something like "reset"?

I can say the same about Bush inviting Putin to his ranch soon after Putin killed tens of thousands in Chechnya. Imagine Trump inviting Putin to one of his golf courses.
The part that's weird to me is the seeming subcontracting of national gov. duties to Russia. Jokingly or not, it was weird when Trump offered to let Russia question their own intelligence officers in exchange for... Them questioning ours?
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« Reply #21797 on: July 17, 2018, 01:10:45 pm »
Quote from: Doomblade187 on July 17, 2018, 12:44:53 pm
The part that's weird to me is the seeming subcontracting of national gov. duties to Russia. Jokingly or not, it was weird when Trump offered to let Russia question their own intelligence officers in exchange for... Them questioning ours?

That part was chilling, yeah. "Whataboutism" has been applied to a lot of things with varying accuracy, but it is normal Russian practice to respond to any accusation of covert malfeasance on their part with two things: a demand to know what can be proven and a suggestion that the accuser is doing the same thing to them. They did that witj the 2016 hacks, actually. "We have noticed similar activity on our networks." Putin's offer was just another form of that.

In other words, Russia wants as a matter of grand strategy to legitimize the tactics by which they maintain their oligarchy so as to avoid future things like the Magnitsky Act, and Trump is now selling their moral equivalence narrative as best he can.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21798 on: July 17, 2018, 03:20:12 pm »
I am suddenly reminded of the last 50~ years of the Roman Empire, with all the corruption and stuff.
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Quote from: MaximumZero on March 12, 2013, 01:02:21 am
Well, we could put two and two together and write a book: "The Shit that Hans and Max Did: You Won't Believe This Shit."
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« Reply #21799 on: July 17, 2018, 03:25:20 pm »
Quote from: Hanslanda on July 17, 2018, 03:20:12 pm
I am suddenly reminded of the last 50~ years of the Roman Empire, with all the corruption and stuff.

Really? Trump reminds me more of Caligula.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21800 on: July 17, 2018, 03:43:58 pm »
“I don’t see any reason why it would be Russia”
Trump admits he does not understand Russia's incentives for interfering with US elections.

“I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia”
Trump admits he does not understand the harm in Russia interfering with US elections.

Either way, it's bad. the would/wouldn't is not the problem with this sentence; the problem is the 'I don't see', in which Trump professes his own ignorance. Understanding the situation is pretty much the absolute first step in figuring out how to deal with it properly.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21801 on: July 17, 2018, 03:45:59 pm »
Quote from: Trekkin on July 17, 2018, 03:25:20 pm
Quote from: Hanslanda on July 17, 2018, 03:20:12 pm
I am suddenly reminded of the last 50~ years of the Roman Empire, with all the corruption and stuff.

Really? Trump reminds me more of Caligula.

No, he's much more 'corrupt reprehensible piece of shit exploiting the shit system' than 'insane but crafty sociopath having a lark'.
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Quote from: MaximumZero on March 12, 2013, 01:02:21 am
Well, we could put two and two together and write a book: "The Shit that Hans and Max Did: You Won't Believe This Shit."
Quote from: Devling on April 04, 2013, 09:57:15 pm
He's fucking with us.

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21802 on: July 17, 2018, 03:56:07 pm »
Quote from: Hanslanda on July 17, 2018, 03:45:59 pm
Quote from: Trekkin on July 17, 2018, 03:25:20 pm
Quote from: Hanslanda on July 17, 2018, 03:20:12 pm
I am suddenly reminded of the last 50~ years of the Roman Empire, with all the corruption and stuff.

Really? Trump reminds me more of Caligula.

No, he's much more 'corrupt reprehensible piece of shit exploiting the shit system' than 'insane but crafty sociopath having a lark'.

I seem to recall Caligula being sort of ok until he got super sick for like months and came out of it with some manner of sociopathic insanity.

But the "does some ok things and then immediately goes batshit evil" does have a Trump-ish ring to it.
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« Reply #21803 on: July 18, 2018, 06:52:03 am »
Clinton redefined the meaning of "is". Trump redefined the meaning of "would".

Checkmate, atheists.
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« Reply #21804 on: July 18, 2018, 06:53:16 am »
Obama redefined the meaning of "thanks"
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21805 on: July 18, 2018, 10:38:37 am »
He's going after the blacks now too?
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21806 on: July 18, 2018, 11:56:19 am »
Quote from: scriver on July 18, 2018, 06:53:16 am
Obama redefined the meaning of "thanks"
Quote from: scriver on July 18, 2018, 10:38:37 am
He's going after the blacks now too?

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21807 on: July 18, 2018, 11:59:44 am »
Do you think those two posts are in any way related to each other?

Quote from: Ispil on July 18, 2018, 11:58:23 am
The first one is a "thanks Obama" joke.

Yes. The second is a Monte Negro - Black Mountain joke.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21808 on: July 18, 2018, 12:09:35 pm »
The hell is a montynegro
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21809 on: July 18, 2018, 12:16:06 pm »
Quote from: Hanslanda on July 17, 2018, 03:20:12 pm
I am suddenly reminded of the last 50~ years of the Roman Empire, with all the corruption and stuff.
Does it really?

I can't remember the last 50 years of the Roman Empire, so that's an actual question, mind. Didn't they put a child in power at the end?
Quote from: EnigmaticHat on July 18, 2018, 11:56:19 am
Quote from: scriver on July 18, 2018, 06:53:16 am
Obama redefined the meaning of "thanks"
Quote from: scriver on July 18, 2018, 10:38:37 am
He's going after the blacks now too?

?
Montenegro literally means "black mountains". The origin of the name is apparently Venetian. It's native name is Crna Gora, which means the same thing.

BTW, I'm going to get back to you UrbanGiraffe, writing just takes a while.
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