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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #21060 on: June 22, 2018, 02:36:53 pm »

Erect them near places of governmental power and occasion just stand there, meaningfully clearing your throat whenever an elected official walks by.
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« Reply #21061 on: June 22, 2018, 02:38:01 pm »

I can totally get behind building a few guillotines. Not to overthrow the government, I just think it'd be a more humane way of killing people.

You'd still get stuff like 'can a severed head still feel pain and how long' since death wouldn't be instantaneous and the ethics of trying to find out would be horrible.
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« Reply #21062 on: June 22, 2018, 02:44:16 pm »

I can totally get behind building a few guillotines. Not to overthrow the government, I just think it'd be a more humane way of killing people.
They did a study during the French Revolution that confirmed people are still briefly conscious after their head is chopped off.  Granted I'm not sure if that's a legend.  I know if the two arteries that deliver blood to your brain get pinched you have about 15 seconds before you fall unconscious.  I don't see why severing them would be different.

Honestly the best execution method would be ODing on anesthetics but I guess that would cost money.  Or maybe a normal dose of anesthetics and then getting shot.  With a test run to make sure the anesthetics actually work on you (sometimes they don't!).
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« Reply #21063 on: June 22, 2018, 02:47:28 pm »

Tank cannon to the face, but arranged so you don't realize when it's going to happen.
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« Reply #21064 on: June 22, 2018, 02:53:45 pm »

Honestly the best execution method would be ODing on anesthetics but I guess that would cost money. 

And anesthetics to buy with it, which has been an increasing problem for lethal injection programs as their stocks of drugs run dry or expire and no one will sell them more.
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« Reply #21065 on: June 22, 2018, 02:54:39 pm »

I've got this rather battered gauntlet with six gems in in...
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« Reply #21066 on: June 22, 2018, 03:02:45 pm »

Let the punch-eh-cutions begin.
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« Reply #21067 on: June 22, 2018, 03:26:17 pm »

There was an article on the BBC about execution methods recently.
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« Reply #21068 on: June 22, 2018, 04:57:28 pm »

I've got this rather battered gauntlet with six gems in in...

But is it perfectly balanced, as all things should be?
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« Reply #21069 on: June 22, 2018, 05:08:37 pm »

I feel like two shotgun blasts to the proximate region of the brain stem, fired from behind toward the brain at close range would be as close to painless as anything. Drug them up real good on sedatives and pain killers first then boom splat. Course that is messy and traumatic.

Maybe we make a needle thing like those pneumatic knives divers have and stab the brain and brain stem with one each. Whole CNS dies in less than a second, two tiny punctures, and no clean up.
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« Reply #21070 on: June 22, 2018, 05:10:11 pm »

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« Reply #21071 on: June 22, 2018, 06:28:57 pm »

Related to the previous trend: My impression is that the British-style physician system (I know first hand the systems in UK and Ireland, and I've read about the US) is too hierarchical. Too many ranks, too much work and responsability burden in lower ranks (and pointless work*), and too much fear of bothering the immediately-above rank. For what I've read the US system is, if anything, LESS guilty of all of this than thé  Isles, as it seems to be more straightforward regarding the endgame, and attendings/consultants have more direct oversight over junior doctors, which is a critical point. Even then for what I hear of people's experiences many of the hierarchical problems remain.  The ladder dillutes responsability, reduces oversight, and all too often results in people not doing something because someone else in the ladder (higher OR lower) will take care of it

My personal opinion is that the system would be served better if, instead of relying so much on juniors/NCHDs, those functions were more evenly shared with more CNSs and possibly more CNS roles and a hospitalist/internist/"hospital GP" class which would have direct oversight over the patients and would liason with specialists, but wouldn't really be lower on the power ladder , and hopefully they'd work shorter shifts.  These things already exist to an extent so it shouldn't be hard to just boost them .

*with pointless work I mean: I've noticed that juniors tend to waste loads of time doing stuff that really should be being done by the nursing staff. I find it particularily egregious that trainees are spending a significant amount of time doing phlebotomies, and I feel this is bad for junior docs, nurses, and patients.
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« Reply #21072 on: June 22, 2018, 06:39:15 pm »

Donald meets with families “permanently separated” from loved ones as a direct consequence of undocumented immigrants.

Also dismisses statistics saying immigrants are less inclined toward crime than natives.
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« Reply #21073 on: June 22, 2018, 06:43:30 pm »

@SalmonGod

Wait, how should people have acted?

You can say that Americans are sheeple all you want, but what exactly did you want them to do? Because unless it was "build the guillotines and start the fires," someone's been doing it.

The following paragraph not intended to be taken personally by anyone here.  I'm thinking of the 90% of family, co-workers, strangers I encounter in various contexts who absolutely suck at developing informed perspectives.

Stop with the denialism?  Develop some political memory and stop flippant abuse of the term conspiracy theory on people who point to evidence that something is probably happening that has happened before?  Learn to see through the media noise and pay attention to systemic issues, instead of letting themselves succumb to two-minutes-hate when 7 billion people in the world produce a handful of individual cases every day of someone doing a bad thing?  Stop giving in to the good cop/bad cop routine that keeps us voting for the people responsible for those systemic issues?  Because both major parties are responsible for the examples I listed.  If they can't participate or support protesters, at least stop being intensely hypercritical of them and denouncing entire movements over every micro-misstep, while directing no energy towards criticism of the valid and serious issues they're protesting?

You're right that there are small numbers of people out there dedicated to working on every solution to every problem imaginable.  Then there's everybody else who shits all over their efforts because they're clearly crazy for breaking so far from the political mold and/or trying to address problems that surely couldn't exist today.

But as long as you're bringing up fires and guillotines... I'm of the mind that we should be on about that several years ago, on the topic of environment if nothing else.  If I had my way, the world would be shut down immediately.  Today.  With massive riots.  Until everyone in charge gets the fucking message and agrees to take environmental apocalypse seriously.

As for the execution methods thing... I'm all for abolishing the death penalty until some magical future where we can rely on our justice system to be accurate, fair, practical, and clean of corruption.  If we ever achieve that magical future, I vote for drugging to incapacitation (to address the excruciating anticipation of the moments before), followed by some form of massive damage... anything that can completely destroy the brain as instantly as possible with a high reliability, like being thrown from a great height, several ton weight dropped directly onto the head, quadruple-barrel shotgun blast, or whatever.
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« Reply #21074 on: June 22, 2018, 07:03:34 pm »

Uninhabitable to civilization as we know it that is. We humans have figured out how to survive in some of the harshest places on Earth and stayed there for millenia upon millenia, and the fact that we're spread to every corner of the Earth means that pockets of humans will survive somewhere even if civilization completely collapses to the late neolithic agricultural revolution era.

That said, yeah, delaying or softening the impact is our best bet. Technically and on paper, it is possible to reverse it, but that requires complete and utter conversion of every economy to that one task and utterly stick to that.

I know it might not seem like it with the current complacent civilization and politics, but when pushed, we as a species are really damn good at adapting.
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