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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15735 on: December 15, 2017, 09:47:09 pm »

In addition to previous banning of words like 'climate change' at the EPA, the CDC has now been commanded to censor words:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html
Included on the list: Fetus. Transgender. Evidence-based. Vulnerable.

That is absolutely frightening.

They're obviously trying to get people to say 'unborn child/children' with the fetus block, but the block of 'vulnerable' is confusing, I don't understand what they would have against that, unless they wanted to not know who would be in danger of something.
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15736 on: December 15, 2017, 09:52:55 pm »

In addition to previous banning of words like 'climate change' at the EPA, the CDC has now been commanded to censor words:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html
Included on the list: Fetus. Transgender. Evidence-based. Vulnerable.

That is absolutely frightening.

They're obviously trying to get people to say 'unborn child/children' with the fetus block, but the block of 'vulnerable' is confusing, I don't understand what they would have against that, unless they wanted to not know who would be in danger of something.

Based on the description of the substitute phrase for "science-"/"evidence-based", I think the goal is not to force people to say something else, or cause people not to know something, but to avoid words that will make people upset. People don't like to hear that their weird homeopathic non-vaccination autism cures aren't "evidence-based", so we'll just avoid the phrase (without actually changing anything), and talking about "vulnerable populations" might make people think we're unfairly biased in favour of or against minorities, so we can't say that either. That sort of thing.
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15737 on: December 15, 2017, 10:00:49 pm »

Got any proof of this instead of the typical right-wing corporation-fellating slander? I'm guessing no.
Uh, yeah, man, I can actually confirm this to be true because I've worked in the local government and know people who work in the local government and have seen how it operates and documentation of where the money goes. I'm also not right-wing at all either... top-level insult tho? Throwing around "fellating" like that really adds just the right amount of homophobia to make it sting, 10/10.

Sorry. I see so many such allegations thrown about in cases where I know for certain it is noting but a union-busting lie that I tend to have a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to such things.
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15738 on: December 15, 2017, 10:04:04 pm »

Sorry. I see so many such allegations thrown about in cases where I know for certain it is noting but a union-busting lie that I tend to have a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to such things.
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15739 on: December 15, 2017, 10:06:04 pm »

None, of course.

But hey, look at how well privatizing prisons has worked out for Louisiana, another stellar example of the "libertarian" neofeudal paradise.

That's the real gold, how people call themselves libertarians when they spend all their time wanking to social structures that benefit oligarchs and tin-pot dictators. Small government only means more freedom for scumbags to build up personal fiefdoms. From the very inception of the Constitution one of the principle purposes of government has been to protect the extraordinarily small wealth gap that existed at the time of the founding. The rise of neofeudal social dynamics in the pre-war South, and the shift away from the open-frontier agrarian society (which was one of the primary factors in that small wealth gap, as "small business owners" could be anyone willing to hop on a wagon heading west) driven by the Industrial Revolution created an opportunity which the oligarchs seized with both hands.

We got the Gilded Age. The late 1800s through the mid 1940s were full of progressive reformers working to counteract that, culminating in the New Deal. Unfortunately, it was derailed by the shift in focus caused by the stresses of WWII to a primarily political/military conflict rather than economic conflict, and the forces of the post-industrial nobility took the chance to roll back the clock, with the Cold War offering additional political capital. The second half of the 20th century was entirely about propagandizing and increasing the wealth gap. The American middle class wasn't created in the 20th century, it was eroded, and we're reaping the outcomes of 50 years of effort to stratify U.S. economic classes with a second Gilded Age.

Every word you've ever heard about the free market, the good of unrestricted capitalism, the evils of "socialism" (i.e. American democracy as it existed circa any point in our history prior to the '50s and outside a brief period from ~1880-1930), &c. was specifically spread to blind people to what was being done. We began as a society where the average working person could own property, work reasonable hours, and support their family on a single income while also spending time socializing, learning, and resting to one in which multiple jobs per household often still can't bring it above the poverty line and the majority of people either don't own property (in the sense of land/homes/&c.) or owe massive debts on the property they "own" (for so long as they can continue paying for it), and have no spare time or energy for pursuing personal interests, education, or politics.

That has been the concerted and primary interest of corporations and the moneyed class throughout American history: breaking the middle class, making us think it was in our best interests, and crippling government sufficiently that there will not be a second sweep of progressive economic reforms.

This is why Reconstruction was forcibly derailed: it was deconstructing the wealth gap created among citizens of the South by diminishing racial divisions between freed blacks and poor whites, providing better education and public services to both, and diminishing the capital and power of the plantation aristocracy. The Civil War was, fundamentally, about economic power, specifically about preserving an economic system (slavery + the cultivation of cash crops for export) which massively enriched a small portion of the population while providing little to no social benefit and preventing the bulk of freedmen from advancing themselves beyond subsistence farming (which was actually a degradation from the average status of an American eighty years prior).

When you hear someone talk about the benefits of small government, deregulation, &c. remember: those benefits are not for you. They're for the people and institutions which possess sufficient power that the only reliable check on their excesses is a strong central government. Moreover, any attempt to return to such a society (for it is, as I have repeatedly implied, little more than a gussied-up and modernized form of feudalism) will result either in the creation of innumerable local tyrannies or in massive popular violence. The notion of distributed and largely independent individuals and settlements is functionally impossible for any society past a purely agrarian stage of development: modern infrastructure cannot be constructed or maintained without high-level coordination of resources and effort, the bulk of human population worldwide cannot be supported with local agriculture even if all other elements of society were miraculously maintained without the systems they require, &c.

The unfortunate truth is that the frontier is closed. There is no settler's paradise, no land to live by your own hand, and there never again will be save for one of two scenarios: space travel and colonization becoming as simple and inexpensive as hopping aboard that wagon train of the idolized past, or the near-total eradication of human life and technology (both material and social). It has been reduced to a lie peddled to too-credulous people to convince them to dismantle the structures which shield them from abuse while convincing them that those structures are abuse.
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15740 on: December 15, 2017, 10:12:16 pm »

Amen
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15741 on: December 15, 2017, 10:22:07 pm »

In addition to previous banning of words like 'climate change' at the EPA, the CDC has now been commanded to censor words:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html
Included on the list: Fetus. Transgender. Evidence-based. Vulnerable.

That is absolutely frightening.

They're obviously trying to get people to say 'unborn child/children' with the fetus block, but the block of 'vulnerable' is confusing, I don't understand what they would have against that, unless they wanted to not know who would be in danger of something.

Based on the description of the substitute phrase for "science-"/"evidence-based", I think the goal is not to force people to say something else, or cause people not to know something, but to avoid words that will make people upset. People don't like to hear that their weird homeopathic non-vaccination autism cures aren't "evidence-based", so we'll just avoid the phrase (without actually changing anything), and talking about "vulnerable populations" might make people think we're unfairly biased in favour of or against minorities, so we can't say that either. That sort of thing.

The word 'vulnerable' has a crapload of synonyms, so, it'd be easy to use a different word. It also smacks of the whole  microaggressions and 'being a snowflake' that conservatives like to stereotype liberals as being.
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15742 on: December 16, 2017, 08:35:07 am »

Lifesmasher works for fetus, unfake or simply reality-based for the science/evidence stuff, interestful or simply varied for diversity, not sure or not gonna touch the others.
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15743 on: December 16, 2017, 03:16:13 pm »

In addition to previous banning of words like 'climate change' at the EPA, the CDC has now been commanded to censor words:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html
Included on the list: Fetus. Transgender. Evidence-based. Vulnerable.

That is absolutely frightening.

They're obviously trying to get people to say 'unborn child/children' with the fetus block, but the block of 'vulnerable' is confusing, I don't understand what they would have against that, unless they wanted to not know who would be in danger of something.
They don't want the CDC to use the phrases "vulnerable populations" and "vulnerable persons".  Presumably because most sentences using those phrases make the ACA look good.  Its also a potential obstacle to discussing the effects of policy on the opoid epidemic.  "At-risk" is used interchangeably in a medical context, so banning "vulnerable" without also banning
at-risk" would have little impact.  The CDC would have to stop using "our most vulnerable ______s", which is a common phrase used to drum up public support for preventative measures.

Edit: Alternative, they're just doing the usual alt-right whining.  Since "entitlement" was also on the list, which the CDC logically would have no reason to use.

Double edit: From the article: HHS spokesman Matt Lloyd told The Washington Post. “HHS also strongly encourages the use of outcome and evidence data in program evaluations and budget decisions.”  The amount of casual "fuck you" in that press release, oh my god.  PR professional sass
« Last Edit: December 16, 2017, 03:18:45 pm by EnigmaticHat »
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15744 on: December 16, 2017, 11:42:27 pm »

Is it possible this wasn't a flat out "ban"? Everything I'm seeing here is in regards to budget negotiations, and in terms of who you're talking to (politicians in general and congress specifically), you have to word things very carefully in order not to trigger them on some hot button keyword they're not allowed to support.

Perhaps this was just a "suggested language you shouldn't use on this one occasion if you want to make sure we still get our budget next year as smoothly as possible." Sort of thing from higher up that got taken out of context.

I'm not saying I like it, but it seems very much "politics as usual."

"Look, you do good work, but... maybe... use different words so I don't have to directly sign my name on something my base will hate and that will be used against me next primary... that'll be great, thanks."

Republican congresspeople are getting nervous as a lot of them are looking at serious challenges both from the right and from the left. If they sign off on even one thing that has those words in them, you know they're going to get attacked by the ones to the right of them over it. Also might make it less likely one of the extremists in the senate would pull a government shutdown filibuster over dumb semantics.

I'm not saying it couldn't be worse than that, but that's what it sounds like to me.
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15745 on: December 17, 2017, 07:17:20 am »

Politics have become so polarized that they're starting to ban proper fucking communication.
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15746 on: December 17, 2017, 09:44:14 am »

In addition to previous banning of words like 'climate change' at the EPA, the CDC has now been commanded to censor words:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html
Included on the list: Fetus. Transgender. Evidence-based. Vulnerable.

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(Sorry. I know it (probably) isn't that, still couldn't help it. But it really was the first thing that came to my unwashed european mind when I read that article)
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15747 on: December 17, 2017, 09:52:55 am »

Politics have become so polarized that they're starting to ban proper fucking communication.

The safe-space hating group have constructed a safe-space to hide themselves from all that pesky 'research' and 'evidence' that harm all those proto babies that they cut education, healthcare, and possible retirement for.
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Re: AmeriPol: Senate passes tax 'reform', now attempting to cross streams with House
« Reply #15748 on: December 17, 2017, 10:21:44 am »


(Sorry. I know it (probably) isn't that, still couldn't help it. But it really was the first thing that came to my unwashed european mind when I read that article)

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« Reply #15749 on: December 17, 2017, 11:28:03 am »

Politics have become so polarized that they're starting to ban proper fucking communication.

The safe-space hating group have constructed a safe-space to hide themselves from all that pesky 'research' and 'evidence' that harm all those proto babies that they cut education, healthcare, and possible retirement for.

Yeah, it's ironic how those that complain about safe spaces* and liberals being snowflakes are turning out to be snowflakes themselves.

*Though the complaints about safe spaces aren't polarized, some liberals/progressives take issue with the way that the concept of safe spaces have become.
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