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[Max™]

I dunno, sounds pretty Scottish to me!

Sounds good, but no, I don't think Woking is in Scotland.

Also added an extra c out of habit, should be McLaren.

[Neonivek]

I love the double think of a country built on states seceding from another country forbidding states from seceding from their own. "God gave us the right to rebel, but not the right to rebel against us!"

The alternative thinking I came up with is that the South had every right to succeed if they so desired, but didn't have a right to succeed in order to avoid their responsibilities or dodge consequences.

While America succeeded from the British because they basically left America to languish while taxing them to high heavens... Or rather because Britain succeeded their responsibilities towards their colony and so America, in response, succeeded from them.

[smjjames]

It's secceeded. Not sure if it's autocorrect hitting you there.

[Neonivek]

It's secceeded. Not sure if it's autocorrect hitting you there.

No... in this case it is because I spelt it phonetically like a dummy.

[Egan_BW]

It's also pronounced differently from succeed afaik.

[Helgoland]

the sort of legal positivism that makes people invoke internet rules.

Thank you for fucking knowing what this is*.  [...]

*Unless we're talking about totally different things, in which case I will retract my thank you in embarrassment

Huh? I was talking about Godwin...

[Max™]

...and now rule 64 of Godwin is a thing.

[Neonivek]

It's also pronounced differently from succeed afaik.

A lot of people pronounce it as suhs sEd, Instead of sehs sEd

[smjjames]

Just a case of english being wierd then.

[Starver]

(But does anyone pronounce "succeed" not with the "k" in "suk sEd", regardless of vowel shifts, differing inflections, alternate emphases? Probably, I suppose. They already murder "schedule" for a half-legitimate reason, so...)

[Trekkin]

I love the double think of a country built on states seceding from another country forbidding states from seceding from their own. "God gave us the right to rebel, but not the right to rebel against us!"

Or, alternatively, "Do you want the Critical Period again? Because this is how we get the Critical Period again." America had seven years of its federal government being essentially optional, and it sucked so much that the Federalists resorted to shenanigans of questionable legality to replace the Articles of Confederation as rapidly as possible with something that established an actual government.

Even if you're willing to pretend that the secession crisis was not about slavery, letting the slave states go uncontested was never an option. The precedent it would have established would have made the federal government optional again; if states could leave whenever they wanted, then they would essentially have veto power anyway. America tried that once and nearly fell apart. It's not doublethink to not want to try that again.

[JohnnyYuma]

There are many things wrong with America since FDR's devastating New Deal: minimum wage, terrible labor laws, income tax, VAT, social security regulated by the state, and newer abominations like Obamacare. Trump does not address most of them: he is anti-Obamacare, but will not get rid of income tax altogether, he just wants to lower it. Good enough, but that's not really a revolutionary change. In most aspects he is the same as his predecessors for decades, more government, more spending, more national debt. The only thing in which he is different is being anti climate change, which might just doom our planet.

[Max™]

I've never seen a more apt case of the escaped lunatic title.

[Neonivek]

Even if you're willing to pretend that the secession crisis was not about slavery

It wasn't JUST about Slavery. You can even see it in their speeches about slavery the other little tidbits and issues that popped up.

Though it was more about Slavery for the South than it was for the North according to one teacher (and another pessimist suggests the North's aversion to Slavery had more to do with the fact that they had no benefit for it... But that person also is a rather "True Altruism doesn't exist") I had.

Though... I do wonder if the Civil war would have happened even without Slavery being on the docket, or if it just was the catalyst that brought it about sooner.

I've never seen a more apt case of the escaped lunatic title.

Whoa whoa, a lot of people don't like those things. Lets just address them before we call people crazy

will not get rid of income tax altogether

The herculean task of removing 30% of the US' tax revenue? (well probably not THAT much.) I am not sure where they are going to trim the fat especially since Trump wants to build the prohibitively expensive Wall, Restart NASA, and increase military spending.

[Ekaton]

Even if you're willing to pretend that the secession crisis was not about slavery

There were many other issues there, but the most important was probably protectionism favored by the northern states. South couldn't really replace slaves and keep the same level of production without modern machines and tools, and those were available quite cheaply in the UK, while contemporary American ones were of worse quality and more expensive. Forcing Southerners to buy only American machines, tools, and necessary equipment in general, hampered the economic development of the South and possibly prolonged slavery there.

Nothing can justify slavery, but the North didn't exactly help get rid of it.