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[nenjin]

Atomic Monkey would also be acceptable.

[Loud Whispers]

GDP ain't everything. Your mention of Japan shows it, not everybody gets involved in the great game. The UK, France, and Germany are all powerful nations but that whole crisis of identity thing is pretty haunting, call me when you've eliminated either the federalists or the nationalists.

Japan possess the technological and economic base to become a power that would quickly rival the USA and China, they choose not to play out of choice - same way with Germany. To say that Germany and Japan are weak nations is deceptive, because it is clear that is not the bigger picture, both could quickly build up a potent military force with the resources and skills they have available - this is all GDP signifies. The ability to maintain a large and modern force

It's literally in the name, don't get salty because your continent was named after divine bestiality. Or are we pretending this week that the isles are a stand in for Atlantis that just happen to be near the filthy Europeans?

Spoiler: As a matter of fact this is the national animal for Britain (click to show/hide)

And if you ask me no one outside of a etonite coffin's heard of a bullropa, where they've heard of the French chicken

There also aren't a lot of choices considering the legacy of Rome. They saw men, eagles, bulls, and lions as their animal symbols. You can't pick humans, we stole the eagle already, and lions are extinct in Europe so that'd be tacky as hell.

>USA in charge of calling things tacky

[Max™]

Uh, the US is literally the expert on tackiness. You may have invented it, dad, but we perfected it.

Atomic Monkey would also be acceptable.

Fuck, now I'm torn as both are awesome.

[smjjames]

It's literally in the name, don't get salty because your continent was named after divine bestiality. Or are we pretending this week that the isles are a stand in for Atlantis that just happen to be near the filthy Europeans?

Spoiler: As a matter of fact this is the national animal for Britain (click to show/hide)

And if you ask me no one outside of a etonite coffin's heard of a bullropa, where they've heard of the French chicken

That thing looks like the spawn of Cthulhu and a warthog (and a mess of other critters), lol.

[Loud Whispers]

That's pretty similar to 'big fish in a little pond', though the connotations are somewhat different. Also, you could say that China started the confrontation since it started the action, though Obama wasn't paying attention very well.

Very different, the dragon in a pond is a poetic metaphor that was first used to signify warlords who were about to attain world hegemony through military conquest. Also I'm pretty certain Obama was paying attention, he redirected the majority of the USA's forces into the pacific to counter the rising threat of Tuvalu the PRC. The whole strategic pivot was in response to American overstretch and China redrawing their historical maps down to Malaysia and into Japan, thus the USA redirected their efforts towards containing China with freedom of navigation exercises to contest ownership of the SCS; it either belongs to their respective owners in Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea and Japan, or it belongs to China. USA cannot let that happen, for to let that happen is to allow Chinese submarines access into the rest of the world's seas without detection, in addition to having direct control over the trade routes that most of the entire world uses

That thing looks like the spawn of Cthulhu and a warthog (and a mess of other critters), lol.

The tail crossing its fingers is hilarious

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Japan possess the technological and economic base to become a power that would quickly rival the USA and China, they choose not to play out of choice - same way with Germany. To say that Germany and Japan are weak nations is deceptive, because it is clear that is not the bigger picture, both could quickly build up a potent military force with the resources and skills they have available - this is all GDP signifies. The ability to maintain a large and modern force

I didn't say they were weak, but the animal symbol thing is typically done in the context of grand geopolitics ("the conflict between the Eagle and the Bear").

But I do maintain that German politics seems intent upon going full Imperium someday, it just has to be insulated by being able to blame "Europe" instead of Germany.

Spoiler: As a matter of fact this is the national animal for Britain (click to show/hide)

And if you ask me no one outside of a etonite coffin's heard of a bullropa, where they've heard of the French chicken

So just so I've got this right: You wish to discard the European Bull in favor of the British Elephthulu, the French Chicken, and the German...what? Trees?

>USA in charge of calling things tacky

We drink your coca-cola milkshake, comrade. We drink it up.

[smjjames]

What would the Japanese animal symbol be though? If they had one applied.

Japan possess the technological and economic base to become a power that would quickly rival the USA and China, they choose not to play out of choice - same way with Germany. To say that Germany and Japan are weak nations is deceptive, because it is clear that is not the bigger picture, both could quickly build up a potent military force with the resources and skills they have available - this is all GDP signifies. The ability to maintain a large and modern force

I didn't say they were weak, but the animal symbol thing is typically done in the context of grand geopolitics ("the conflict between the Eagle and the Bear").

But I do maintain that German politics seems intent upon going full Imperium someday, it just has to be insulated by being able to blame "Europe" instead of Germany.

Spoiler: As a matter of fact this is the national animal for Britain (click to show/hide)

And if you ask me no one outside of a etonite coffin's heard of a bullropa, where they've heard of the French chicken

So just so I've got this right: You wish to discard the European Bull in favor of the British Elephthulu, the French Chicken, and the German...what? Trees?

Well, the German coat of arms does have an eagle/hawk on it.

[Loud Whispers]

But yeah, thinking back to the legend, a bull is the last animal I'd assign to Europe. A swan, maybe? Or the owl of Pallas Athena?

Thinking on it more, a flock of birds would be neat - I think most of Europe's nations have a national bird in their roster of national animals
French Rooster, British Swan, German Eagle, Belgian Kestrel, Danish Swan, Finnish Swan, Hungarian Falcon, Irish Lapwing, Italian Sparrow e.t.c.
Then you can show all the birds squabbling for historical accuracy

I didn't say they were weak, but the animal symbol thing is typically done in the context of grand geopolitics ("the conflict between the Eagle and the Bear").

Yeah but it can scarcely be said that Germany and Japan are not involved in grand geopolitical squabbles and conflicts, only that Germany and Japan are not proactively seeking to cause them

But I do maintain that German politics seems intent upon going full Imperium someday, it just has to be insulated by being able to blame "Europe" instead of Germany.

I imagine they're just waiting to kick Italy out of the EU before they begin Charlemagne 2: Electric boogaloo

So just so I've got this right: You wish to discard the European Bull in favor of the British Elephthulu, the French Chicken, and the German...what? Trees?

Yes

We drink your coca-cola milkshake, comrade. We drink it up.

I thought you were joking but they exist
IT'S TIME TO STOP

[MetalSlimeHunt]

What would the Japanese animal symbol be though? If they had one applied.

There's pretty much no argument that could outdo the Koi/Carp. It's the official animal of Japan anyway, there are tons of legends and symbols in Japanese culture concerning koi, koi are cool animals, and Japan is even a maritime nation. It all fits quite solidly, perhaps more than any of the others.

Well, the German coat of arms does have an eagle/hawk on it.

RIP Hohenzollerns

We drink your coca-cola milkshake, comrade. We drink it up.

I thought you were joking but they exist
IT'S TIME TO STOP

This is what the world of the Cultural Victory looks like, LW! It all started in 1994 with bacon mania and it will never end!

Are you ready to be consumed by the jaws of capitalism?! Even our communists are capitalists now! Invictus! Invictus!

[Max™]

We drink your coca-cola milkshake, comrade. We drink it up.

I thought you were joking but they exist
IT'S TIME TO STOP

I'm pretty sure someone has figured out a way to batter-dip coca-cola and deep fry it by now, never underestimate Wisconsin, the power of lardy american asses would be world-shattering if it was possible to get those big slabs of fat motivated by something besides a new way to consume butter.

[redwallzyl]

Every one is just an octopus in disguise.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[Loud Whispers]

History through animals:

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Thirteen Colonies declares Revolutionary War for independence

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French Republic reminds post-revolution America to pay back debts

[Culise]

Every one is just an octopus in disguise.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ave, Russia and Prussia; we are all octopodes in disguise.  Because it was the time to fear the Czar.  Or another. And some Prusso-phobia for good measure.

EDIT: Heavens, those maps are huge; linked up instead.

[smjjames]

Every one is just an octopus in disguise.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ave, Russia and Prussia; we are all octopodes in disguise.  Because it was the time to fear the Czar.  Or another. And some Prusso-phobia for good measure.

EDIT: Heavens, those maps are huge; linked up instead.

Yeah those maps are huge, also, the whole butter joke thing regarding Dennmark was around back then it seems.

[Starver]

There also aren't a lot of choices considering the legacy of Rome. They saw men, eagles, bulls, and lions as their animal symbols. You can't pick humans, we stole the eagle already, and lions are extinct in Europe so that'd be tacky as hell.

Lions are British, anyway. Despite the extinction.  (Them and unicorns. Despite... well, depends on what you think of unicorns.)  A pre-imperial appropriation(/gift) that stuck.

Ok, so we've also got the bulldog (not sure that imagery is currently understandable on the world stage), the swan (with co-celtic leanings) and under subnationally I could give you Welsh and Scottish creatures (red kite, red dragon, red squirrel, stag, wild haggis, etc, some of which have existential problems of various degrees, others not) but not so sure about Ingerlaaand (maybe the hart?) or Norn Irn (a particularly bolshy side-breed of leprechaun, maybe wearing oramge?)…