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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8130 on: June 18, 2017, 08:36:36 am »

Trump's lawyer is currently on CNN explaining how Trump's tweet, where he stated that he is being investigated, is both true and completely accurate, yet simultaneously Trump is definitely not under investigation, and this is not in any way confusing.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8131 on: June 18, 2017, 08:59:42 am »

Eh, at this point you can actually see some of his work. I'd not be terribly uncomfortable saying he's getting exactly what he deserves :P

That said, yeah, that's a job where I'd probably hold setting myself on fire as a higher life choice priority.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8132 on: June 18, 2017, 09:01:20 am »

Lawyers gotta lawyer, and yeah, Trump isn't exactly making their jobs easier. In fact, his legal team was surprised (as in caught by surprise, not surprised at) by the Trump tweet. I'm sure they'd love to revoke his twitter priviledges (heh).
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8133 on: June 18, 2017, 09:19:54 am »

Eh, there's lawyer and then there's lawyer, y'know?

Any case, did actually walk by a TV showing at least part of what fol was talking about. I think it may have been the most straight faced lies I've heard before breakfast in years, ha.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8134 on: June 18, 2017, 12:28:50 pm »

Heh, article just posted comparing Presidential scandals "now and then"

http://www.newsweek.com/barack-obama-donald-trump-russia-investigation-dijon-mustard-scandal-fox-fake-623643

At this point in Obama's presidency, the major scandal was about how he liked dijon mustard on his burger.

Hannity has a go at Obama: "Although president obama is a 'real man of the people' ... plain of ketchup didn't quite cut it for the president ...', and makes a thing about how posh dijon mustard is: smugly: 'I hope you enjoyed that fancy burger, Mr President'.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8135 on: June 18, 2017, 12:57:39 pm »

Hey, there's been trump eating habit "scandals", too.

... they've just been sideline events. Mostly. The fast food thing maybe less so, if for no other reason than it explains a bit of what's been happening with certain other parts of his administration.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8136 on: June 18, 2017, 12:57:50 pm »

Dijon mustard, so fancy you have to look three spots to the left of the ketchup bottles to buy it.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8137 on: June 18, 2017, 01:06:17 pm »

I don't get how using djon mustard would be a 'scandal'. Unless they just want to poke fun at it.

Trump and Obama are far from the only politicians to have been poked fun at over eating habits.

Though yeah, the articles point is that Obama didn't even have any major scandal yet (the worst was just teasing over silly stuff and making memes) and it was still a ways off. While Trump is scandal filled from before it even started.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8138 on: June 18, 2017, 01:09:18 pm »

(I'm a couple days back in the thread)
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Yup, this has always been a problem with the "economic issues" conservative and "religious issues" conservative being in the same coalition.  A basic ethics difference between the USA left and right is this: what kind of death is society responsible for?  The left and the right both agree, if a foreign army comes and kills an American on our soil, that's a death that the government should have prevented if it could have.  But, if an American gets sick and can't afford medicine, is that the government's business?  If someone is homeless or starving, is that the government's business?  Left says yes, right says no.  Except that American Christians have a long history of charitable works focused on the local poor.  If American history ended 100 years ago and I had to guess the rest, I would tell you that religious Americans would be pro welfare.
Maybe.  But tax-funded charity is direct competition to church-funded charity.  The latter is more obviously generous, and improves the reputation of the church.  It's a very effective way to gain converts.  Given a choice, I think most religious people would prefer the latter.

...So of course that's *allowed*, by letting people write charitable donations off their taxes.  In effect, many people fund church outreach rather than government programs.  And the tax code was written to allow that.

Whether that's a good thing or not, many people have gotten used to the idea.  Government programs, absolutely swamped and underfunded, are seen as inefficient and dispassionate.  I often hear that the answer is to empower churches to handle even more.

Basically religious Americans *are* pro-welfare, but in a missionary sense.  That just worries me since it naturally prioritizes conversion over fixing the underlying problems.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8139 on: June 18, 2017, 01:13:04 pm »

In the Netherlands, you can get tax deduction for donating to charity as well. Not that donating to church does not count as charity, so no tax deduction there.
The church itself does get some tax benefits though, not sure if religious organisations are 100% tax exempt, or if they get a deduction.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8140 on: June 18, 2017, 01:23:24 pm »

Eeehhh... I'd buy that argument more rol if the state of religious charity in the US wasn't what it was. It does do a fair amount of good, but there's also quite a lot of abuses and a number of areas where their "obvious" generosity starts looking less and less like it actually exists. You even mentioned part of it, heh.

You definitely have a good bit of the messaging and perceptions down right, but a good bit of the messaging and perception is also about as much bullshit as prosperity gospel.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8141 on: June 18, 2017, 03:12:04 pm »

The point is that most people either don't see those flaws (in cases of corruption or inefficiency), or they don't consider them flaws in the first place (in the case of the charity being wrapped in evangelism). All they see is that they give to the Salvation Army and the Church-run "missions", and believe that this is a better way of helping the genuinely needy.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8142 on: June 18, 2017, 03:33:25 pm »

And all the church goers are confused as to where all these homeless people are from as yet another $2 million church is being built in a town of two thousand with forty pre existing churches.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8143 on: June 18, 2017, 03:35:58 pm »

And all the church goers are confused as to where all these homeless people are from as yet another $2 million church is being built in a town of two thousand with forty pre existing churches.

You know, it is honestly amazing just how easily Christianity is able to fracture.  Don't recall many other religions having such a large problem with it.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« Reply #8144 on: June 18, 2017, 03:47:38 pm »

And all the church goers are confused as to where all these homeless people are from as yet another $2 million church is being built in a town of two thousand with forty pre existing churches.

You know, it is honestly amazing just how easily Christianity is able to fracture.  Don't recall many other religions having such a large problem with it.
it's not really just a Christian thing, look up all the different types of Buddhism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schools_of_Buddhism



Completely unrelated but i recently came across this bit of old economic theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

not being familiar with it other then a cursory skim of the Wikipedia page what are the unaddressed positives and negatives of such a system?
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