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[Starver]

The fact that comet got fired was certainly newsworthy, and I understand the suspicion that it may have been due to the investigation, but the fact that the investigation exists in the first place is because the media screaming and flailing when they found out he won.

The investigation into Trump's possible Russian links started back in July, with likely precursor poking about before that...

[Starver]

First, the low approval of Pornagraphy intrigues me. I want to know more about that statistic; Demographcs etc.

"Hate the sin, love the sinner oneself... "

[wierd]

If you can't love yourself, who can you love?

[Egan_BW]

Probably someone else, but who's got time for that?

[EnigmaticHat]

Teenage Sex: 36%

Am I the only one surprised by this?  Not even unsafe, morally unacceptable.

[wierd]

Statistically, most sex over the course of human history has been teenage sex. It is only in the past 1.5 centuries that the pressure to be over the age of 18 to 20 has been present.  It used to be that if somebody waited that long, they were considered a spinster.

[Arx]

Teenage Sex: 36%

Am I the only one surprised by this?  Not even unsafe, morally unacceptable.

I'm guessing it's a shift over from sex outside marriage. I was more surprised by the number of people that accept sex outside marriage.

[Neonivek]

Teenage Sex: 36%

Am I the only one surprised by this?  Not even unsafe, morally unacceptable.

I'm guessing it's a shift over from sex outside marriage. I was more surprised by the number of people that accept sex outside marriage.

Well the other fact is that Teenagers aren't exactly adults yet. They aren't fully expected to be responsible for their actions.

[alway]

First, the low approval of Pornagraphy intrigues me. I want to know more about that statistic; Demographcs etc. Second: I'm surprised Miscegenation isn't on there. Third:

Animal Fur Clothing: 57%
Animal Medical Testing: 51%
Cloning Animals: 32%

I am legitimately baffled. How can more people approve of fur clothing than medical testing? What is this 6% of the population? And why is the scientific consensus (cloning animals is fine, humans is an absolute no-go) be so far from the public consensus (cloning animals is a minority view, cloning humans has half as much as support as cloning animals)?

Don't see why that first bit doesn't make sense. Fur kills an animal, while medical testing could result in that, but can also result in pain or other things. Killing with a swift bludgeon vs a brain tumor sort of thing. I've also heard arguments entirely separate from consideration of the animals themselves; questions of whether animal models are indeed an effective way of testing vs other available methods. Human cell cultures and other techniques being brought up as potentially more accurate and cost effective. This sorta thing: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4594046/

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Teenage Sex: 36%

Am I the only one surprised by this?  Not even unsafe, morally unacceptable.

I'm guessing it's a shift over from sex outside marriage. I was more surprised by the number of people that accept sex outside marriage.

It's the norm for anyone under 30 and I'd wager it's a majority for anyone under 50. Abolish from your mind the creepy purity pledges, they are only the reactionary screeching of an outdated standard, which of course only makes them the more suited for plastering all over the news.

Being against teenagers having sex is as much a helicopter parent thing as it is a religious thing, hence the higher disapproval.

[Reelya]

Statistically, most sex over the course of human history has been teenage sex. It is only in the past 1.5 centuries that the pressure to be over the age of 18 to 20 has been present.  It used to be that if somebody waited that long, they were considered a spinster.

that's not correct at all. People sometimes became betrothed younger than now, but that was more a family-family situation, as you all lived crammed into a large multi-generational household. Also, historic age of puberty was 16-17 and only started declining after WWI. the idea of fertile teenagers only makes sense with 20th century+ nutrition.
 
There's some sample data here of 18th-19th century marriage ages, in France and Canada, they're all 18 to early 20s.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7983101

The French women spanned 2.5 centuries and the mean was the year 1800. The average marriage age was 23.7 years and the average number of children was 6; 14 children was the highest number. The results showed that the French Canadian women bore their last child at an average age of 41.5 years compared to 39.5 years for the French women. The age at last birth declined over time in the French sample to below 38 years after 1840. The French Canadian sample showed 50% of women ending childbearing around the age of 40 years and 70% of women doing so in the 37-44 age span.

meanwhile puberty itself fell 5 years in the last century alone. from at least the 17th-early 20th centuries the date of puberty for girls hovered around 16-17 years. Some say the date was lower before that, but that seems speculative. As long as we've had good records, those are the figures.

[Neonivek]

Yeah the idea of 12-14 year olds becoming pregnant as a matter of due course seems... odd... given that miscarriages were a VERY real and deadly thing.

[wierd]

Depends on culture.

Re Reelya-- Not all human relationships have been those seen in France or even Europe in that period. The world is a little bit bigger than that.  You can find lots of historic info about very young marriage in many african regions, for instance.

Even TODAY, the rate is over 70% of such unions being with girls under the age of 18 in three countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage#Africa

[Neonivek]

Depends on culture.

I am pretty sure... Miscarriages are not influenced by culture.

[Reelya]

@wierd: the problem is that's now shifting the goalposts and your original assertion doesn't actually have any data to back it up:

Statistically, most sex over the course of human history has been teenage sex. It is only in the past 1.5 centuries that the pressure to be over the age of 18 to 20 has been present.  It used to be that if somebody waited that long, they were considered a spinster.

nopety nope. that's not really backed up by much at all. "young marriage" is a well known history myth:
https://historymyths.wordpress.com/2014/07/06/myth-136-women-married-very-young-in-the-olden-days/
Age of first marriage hasn't actually changed very much in North america since ~1600, and it's similar in Europe. So the assertion that it's "only in the past 1.5 centuries" that such things changed is clearly not a correct statement. we have something like 400 years of data that suggests otherwise.
http://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Library/SLT/society/family/marriage.html

Marriage statistics indicate that the mean marriage age for the Elizabethan and Jacobean eras was higher than many people realize. Data taken from birthdates of women and marriage certificates reveals mean marriage ages to have been as follows:
1566-1619    27.0 years
1647-1719    29.6 years
1719-1779    26.8 years
1770-1837    25.1 years