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Wolfhunter107

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I'm not sure that I need be worried about Berkeley, frankly. Provocateurs fighting provocateurs do not alone a fire make. Sparks with no tinder.

It's not going to cause WW3 but it can very well start the second American Civil War. One which wont be as clear cut where the lines are as was the first one.

Ok, you're starting to get a bit melodramatic here. A bunch of dumbassess beating each other up on the streets is not going to cause a civil war.
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So we butcher them and build a 4chan tallow soap tower as a monument to our greatness?

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video surfaced recently from a right-wing journalist who was right in the crowd when the smoke grenade landed, it was great.

Bomb lands behind the lines, someone yells 'throw it back,' and a second guy runs over, shouting "Don't, leave it, it's on our side." Smoke blows the wrong direction, completely covers the two lines, and the guy who stopped them from throwing it back yells "Charge!" Trump side charges, antifa rout.

I think everybody there learned a very important lesson: street fights aren't decided by who's stronger, or who has more people, they're decided by who seizes initiative. Antifa doesn't really have leaders, so they act individually, throwing bottles and punches. That might work against Richard Spencer, but it doesn't win them fights.

There is a video where it was showing the Antifa throwing fireworks into the pro Trump crowds. Also Antifa help create a symbol for the people they are fighting.

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>mfw using a gas bomb while standing upwind and having to retreat.
I remember a while back in one of the previous Ameripol threads we had a hilarious discussion on the combat effectiveness of the various extremist groups in the USA and Spanish Civil War, I can't remember who said it but one of the posters had the realization that they were arguing fervently for the cause that their side was capable of being efficient militants and terrorists - it echoed of Hitler facestab calculations in its insightful and absurd nature. I still maintain that the anarchists' successes were really just coasting on the communists better organized efforts, and were neither able to thwart the fascists or the communists owing to their poorly organized warbands, and maintain today's examples showcase the same issues, being much too much reliant upon having an overpowering mob capable of attacking individuals, but otherwise incapable of breaking the formations of any even slightly disciplined foes

Doing things like throw smoke bombs upwind is rather symbolic of the whole shooting your own foot out of ideological refusal to have a leader

That does raise an interesting question, why are you guys' Antifa anarchists and not communists like enlightened Yurop?

Idk, I guess anarchist mobs are the most thrill filled way to pretend you're doing something impactful, and while I hate to fall onto the "kids these days" arguments (mostly because I am technically a kid of these days, even though I'm a bit of an oldfag now), but nobody wants ot give up too much comfort to do anything nowadays, so going out wearing a mask and getting punched in the face is prob seen as near martyrdom to your average social media activist.

Aanyway, anarchists never actualy win anything themselves because too many of them actualy believe shit can be won with enough loud noises, bombs and sticks. They have no concept of cultural warfare, something communists and fascists are exceptionaly capable at. In the end they get manipulated and used as a club by the group that can more easily seduce them, then get dispersed/arrested/fuckmurdered when they become more of a hindrance than a useful tool.

But here's the thing, antifa nowadays are more capable of non directed spontaneous action then ever before, since we have the interwebs and instant communication is a thing, but what exactly does that mean for conflicts such as these? One could say it means that angry mobs can become a constant thing without real directed and well designed efforts into creating such angry mobs, creating an conflict environment without any real leaders.
That is, until one of those shows up, takes advantage of the situation and uses it as leverage for whatever end, and due to antifa's hatred of actual leadership and organization, this means that one leader can pop into any side and take advantage of a conflict, a game in which they are the only real conscious player in.

There's worse things that can happen out of this other than memes and people getting punched.
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In all fairness Segregation is very progressive right now.

Every time I see this, I have to wonder how many members of the Civil Rights movement would react with complete horror to that statement.
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http://www.npr.org/2017/04/17/523960808/we-asked-people-what-they-know-about-taxes-see-if-you-know-the-answers

i reiterate my very much earlier point about Democratic politicians really needing to stop assuming people are knowledgeable and just make it a point to spread truth around so Republicans cant keep obscuring it with deceptive buzz words. never underestimate the ignorance of people on subjects. don't just say your going to do something explain why its needed in great detail and make sure everyone everywhere hears it. most people are rational and if you can get to them with clearly laid out truth before falsehoods take your place and they can easily verify what you say your going to be very powerful.
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Aanyway, anarchists never actualy win anything themselves because too many of them actualy believe shit can be won with enough loud noises, bombs and sticks. They have no concept of cultural warfare, something communists and fascists are exceptionaly capable at. In the end they get manipulated and used as a club by the group that can more easily seduce them, then get dispersed/arrested/fuckmurdered when they become more of a hindrance than a useful tool.
Define "winning" for an anarchist, if you would. Your analysis seems to be very much wedded to the present time, and not to anarchism, communism, or fascism in general. For example, anarchists and communists can go (and have gone) hand-in-hand, and socialists were some of the first bomb-throwers out there. Remember Narodnya Voyla, assassin of Alexander II? Or, for a more American example, Leon Czolgosz, the assassin of William McKinley? It's one thing to say "Today's anarchists", it's another to take Berkely Calinfornia people, mid-19th century bomb-throwers, turn-of-the-century assassins, and Spanish Civil War Veterans and lump them into the same group. If you're going to do that, you're going to need a tiny bit more evidence.

And I fucking hate anarchists, so it kills me to have to defend them. But these are the people for whom the term "splitter" was invented for a reason.
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>mfw using a gas bomb while standing upwind and having to retreat.
I remember a while back in one of the previous Ameripol threads we had a hilarious discussion on the combat effectiveness of the various extremist groups in the USA and Spanish Civil War, I can't remember who said it but one of the posters had the realization that they were arguing fervently for the cause that their side was capable of being efficient militants and terrorists - it echoed of Hitler facestab calculations in its insightful and absurd nature. I still maintain that the anarchists' successes were really just coasting on the communists better organized efforts, and were neither able to thwart the fascists or the communists owing to their poorly organized warbands, and maintain today's examples showcase the same issues, being much too much reliant upon having an overpowering mob capable of attacking individuals, but otherwise incapable of breaking the formations of any even slightly disciplined foes

Doing things like throw smoke bombs upwind is rather symbolic of the whole shooting your own foot out of ideological refusal to have a leader

That does raise an interesting question, why are you guys' Antifa anarchists and not communists like enlightened Yurop?
I sort of disagree. The Catalonians were doing OK during the SCW, up until the point the Republican goverment decided that none of that could be allowed and joined into wiping them out (oddly enough mostly at the request of the main communist party)

It's kind of debatable wheteher the anarchists or the (POUM) communists had more sway in the organization of Catalonia back then... IMO they struck  a fairly good balance between the two which kept stuff on tracks while it lasted.

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I believe it was so Cov, they really need to sort out their PR

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It's an interesting day when the post-ironic memelord is the most reasonable and healing presence.
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It's an interesting day when the post-ironic memelord is the most reasonable and healing presence.
His reaction when the guy who picked up the first Pepsi is being escorted to an ambulance is top-notch.

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It's an interesting day when the post-ironic memelord is the most reasonable and healing presence.
His reaction when the guy who picked up the first Pepsi is being escorted to an ambulance is top-notch.
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