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[wobbly]

Technically the equivalent of jaywalking laws exist here. They vary from state to state. No one knows what they are, or pays any attention to them and I've never heard of them actually being enforced.

[Frumple]

Eh, there's jaywalking enforcement stateside, but it's like the platonic ideal of selective enforcement. It's basically just there to let cops fuck with pedestrians at a whim, more or less never invoked unless some jackass's going out of their way to screw with someone, and fairly low down on the totem pole of excuses that get trotted out to do that, to boot. So you don't see it often, but you do see it.

If our legal system wasn't so scuffed, it'd be thrown out under the unusual punishment clause or somethin' of that nature, but the system is that scuffed and it hasn't been so...

[Random_Dragon]

In theory it makes sense to discourage unsafe crossing, especially if. In practice however, especially since in my opinion crossing far away from the intersection is safer since you can't trust that a driver stopped in the right-turn lane will actually notice you trying to cross right in from of them...

You can pretty much pick your poison as to whether the primary point of jaywalking ordnance is to shift the burden of responsibility onto pedestrians at the behest of the automotive industry, or whether it's like loitering where it's mostly just an extra excuse for cops to harass whoever they want, generally minorities (can't find an excuse to pull someone over for DWB if they aren't driving, after all) 

[Robot Parade Leader]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kaboom-elon-musk-predicts-hardship-economic-turmoil-and-a-stock-market-crash-if-trump-wins-20483008

So, Musk, who Trump is basically going to put in charge of a ton of undefined things, is flat out saying things will be bad and the market will crash if Trump gets in again as President? Am I reading that right?

WTF?

Speaking Tuesday on a “telephone town hall” with supporters, Musk promised deep federal budget cuts, austerity and economic pain ahead in a new Trump administration.

“Everyone,” he said, will be taking a “haircut.”

On his social-media platform X, the former Twitter, the Tesla

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CEO went further and agreed with a supporter who predicted “an initial severe overreaction in the economy” and that “Markets will tumble.”

“Sounds about right,” Musk replied.


O just immediate cut whatever... Knowing it will cause major problems. Just not caring at all. Nevermind going things thoughtfully to avoid hurting people unnecessarily just hack everything?

So even though Trump hates illegal immigrants and musk might very well have been one https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2024/10/27/what-elon-musk-working-illegally-says-about-the-immigration-system/
he's just going to somehow be in charge of doing to the US what he did to twitter? Meanwhile Trump promises mass deportations of other immigrants but not him.

Wow doesn't Congress have the power of the purse? But I guess that somehow doesn't matter?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-woman-died-hospital-said-150100167.html
Also just more women dying from lack of abortion care.

Back to Musk, it's like a week before the election and just "If my side wins there's hardship coming." Wow vote for that side, they say they'll crash things.

[anewaname]

If trump can make decisions that influence the markets, which equities in the markets will suffer and which will do relatively well? Musk isn't talking about his market equity.

[McTraveller]

It's a shame we haven't learned anything as humanity in roughly 3000 years...

But as for me, my feet had almost stumbled. My steps had nearly slipped, because I envied the boastful when I saw the well-being of the wicked.

For there are no pains up to their death, and their bodies are healthy.  They do not have ordinary trouble, and they are not plagued as other people.

Therefore pride is their necklace; an outfit of violence covers them. Their eye bulges from fat. Imaginings overflow their heart.

They mock and speak maliciously of oppression; they speak as though from on high.

[Robot Parade Leader]

WTF

https://www.wesa.fm/politics-government/2024-10-31/mount-pleasant-parade-kamala-harris-pennsylvania

Completely unacceptable. If it were reversed with Trump the Republicans would be absolutely pissed so there is no "both sides are bad," BS excuse. Trump has denied it but he started the whole "lock her up" thing with Hillary (and it's on tape).
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/02/politics/fact-check-trump-false-claim-lock-up-hillary-clinton/index.html

“Hillary Clinton has to go to jail, OK? She has to go to jail,” he said in a June 2016 speech in California. “She has to go to jail,” he repeated in an October 2016 speech in Florida. And at a presidential debate in October 2016, after Clinton said, “It’s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country,” Trump responded, “Because you’d be in jail.”

Don't get mad. Think and vote.

[McTraveller]

I'm really hoping the ballot box will be enough, and we don't end up using the third-tier box (in the soap, ballot, ammunition progression).

That's regardless of who wins the vote, by the way. No matter who wins, I hope (beyond hope) that it's peaceful.

[Frumple]

It... depends on what you call peaceful? If Harris wins, we'll almost certainly see a noticeable increase in domestic terrorism from the GOP and its ilk; probably not huge or destabilizing in general, but noticeable. It'll probably be relatively peaceful, but the country's primary source of political violence is... still going to be itself.

If Trump wins, well, he's been promising to deport tens of millions of people, possibly by deploying military forces at home, and the campaign's made it pretty bloody clear they're not going to be particularly careful in who gets caught up in that. Saying they're going to have one violent day (i.e. literally fucking Kristallnacht). So on and so forth. There's... no way that ends peacefully, even if it doesn't lead to organized or state level resistance. At the population's absolute most supine it's going to lead to a goddamn shitton of state sponsored murder, and there is basically no chance the population is that supine. Even if that shit gets stalled out, we see an increase of domestic terrorism and political violence by maga fucks feeling empowered, exactly as we saw in the first go around, and a very intentional draw down of federal efforts to stymie that crap.

So, like. You've got one option for relatively peaceful, that still sees a spurt of violence and then likely a gradual calming on that since they'd be dealing with a fed that isn't going to encourage it. And then another one that is going to be seriously fucking bloody even if they don't manage half of what they're promising and there's no resistance to it

[McTraveller]

I think my definition of "peaceful" would be that my daily risk of harm doesn't change from its current baseline value.  So for instance if I have a probability of 0.0001 to get intentionally injured by another person today, that wouldn't change.  (That number is roughly a "one injury in 30 years" kind of probability).

Note this definition works for anyone; while the risk for each person may be different, the question is the change in risk.

[Sirus]

Got my early voting done today, only took about three hours of standing in line. Not too bad all things considered.

[McTraveller]

Wow. We did early voting today, mostly because of my leg injury, but I think it was 40 minutes from leaving my house to getting back home.

[martinuzz]

I think my definition of "peaceful" would be that my daily risk of harm doesn't change from its current baseline value.  So for instance if I have a probability of 0.0001 to get intentionally injured by another person today, that wouldn't change.  (That number is roughly a "one injury in 30 years" kind of probability).

Note this definition works for anyone; while the risk for each person may be different, the question is the change in risk.

A better measure of peaceful is not that your own personal harm doesn't change from it's current baseline value. It is that it doesn't change for those sharing society with you, including those of opposing views (this also includes you).

[Folly]

No matter who wins, I hope (beyond hope) that it's peaceful.

And right on que, Donald Trump threatens to put Liz Cheney before a firing squad.

[anewaname]

... and, any guess how what ratio of bullets Cheney has fired compared to Trump? She probably started shooting when she was a kid, since Dick Cheney only had two daughters.