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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50865 on: May 01, 2023, 06:15:40 pm »

As a reminder, both parties (well, any member of congress regardless of party) is always free to introduce legislation. In the average congress (a 2 year period) you get between 10,000 to 20,000 bills introduced, the vast majority of which go nowhere. And, indeed, a pretty decent number of those bills are pretty extreme, either because members are trying to push the envelope over time or because they're checking off a box for a donor or the public.

Not to say there's no chance of a random bill moving, or that one shouldn't be vigilant about what's being introduced, but I'd suggest not getting too anxious about introduction on its own without further context / suggestion of movement.
On the other hand, sometimes the momentum is so quick you get whiplash.

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« Reply #50866 on: May 01, 2023, 09:32:01 pm »

In those cases you won't even get a formally introduced bill on file to look at through typical channels, so normal vigilance doesn't really help.
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« Reply #50867 on: May 02, 2023, 03:38:46 am »

Agreed and that's why I waited instead of naming and castigating the bill at this point, but if a particularly egregious bill is proposed it probably won't hurt to oppose it from the start, if a person actually hears of it near that time. In such cases I would consider chilling potential co-sponsors a better result than waiting until after 10 or 15 more congress people board the ship and have to bail water along with pay for media campaigns due to the bill being in effect a disasterous imposition on the average voter instead of used for nobler purposes if they must be used at all.

EDIT: Just watched the MSNBC morning show spout a larger bunch of nonsense than even that show usually presents. They said cell phones are the devil and the reason why young people are unhappy. It has nothing to do with declining living standards, nothing but expensive opportunities, poor governance, lack of investment in local activities of course. It must be the damn cell phones like it was television in the '90s.

Here's an idea. Instead of clogging the dating sites with spambots and honeypots, make a better one to get birth rates up and counter lonliness. Instead it seems the ideas are to ban abortion and limit if not ban access to pornography for adults over 18 (good luck ever getting elected if you provide deets to pornhub by the way, how convenient for curating access). A government dating site and maybe actual forums instead of a glorified text messanger for political matters would be sensible (if government run) to tie to a driver's liscence as an exception to the common sense idea that putting barriers up for social activities is generally a bad thing, outside of some few things that could be handled better through other means, such as special operating systems for those under 18 though that too has some real problems and I refer you to Techdirt on that. For example legalized narcotics like nicotine where that age verification, I should note like most of the public scare against vaporizors, was a disaster that only benefitted big tobacco.

Spend effort and funding on local community activities that can't be sidelined by local organizations, including religious ones, and that are administered directly (no fucking contractors) by the local or county government by mandate if there is a large enough population in either locality or county or in my town they'll shat all over it and pocket the money for old person things if possible. There is nothing in sports for a person after graduation unless I drive to the nearest city, despite there being facilities for these sitting unused 95% (% is for example and not a real number) of the time. In my town, social events not sanctioned by locally influential organizations are policed and shut down when possible; without their support something will not be allowed if local regs and zoning allow them to be closed which is just about everything; parades (something no small town can do without) for example now have much tighter restrictions due to recent changes and require going through a process involving a board controlled by said local influential organizations. This is an awful thing in a place where the veteran's monuments stop at Vietnam by deliberate choice. It's not device use that is driving this, it is the neglect and worsening of the situation for personal gain shown by people in power.

Maybe the young people are sad partly because they now have a window to the world that shows them why they SHOULD be sad, and I think more concerning to the cause of this also shows ways to organize to counter it. Instead I'm seeing blame deflection and a plan to take away freedoms they may currently enjoy. Spend that effort on creating things to do in these communities to bring them together in ways that doesn't allow the exclusion of not (x) or is (y), and use the devices in furtherence of that rather than failing to recognize the real issues.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50868 on: May 02, 2023, 08:10:58 am »

Here's an idea. Instead of clogging the dating sites with spambots and honeypots, make a better one to get birth rates up and counter lonliness.

Just make a better one
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« Reply #50869 on: May 02, 2023, 10:26:52 am »

Agreed and that's why I waited instead of naming and castigating the bill at this point, but if a particularly egregious bill is proposed it probably won't hurt to oppose it from the start, if a person actually hears of it near that time. In such cases I would consider chilling potential co-sponsors a better result than waiting until after 10 or 15 more congress people board the ship and have to bail water along with pay for media campaigns due to the bill being in effect a disasterous imposition on the average voter instead of used for nobler purposes if they must be used at all.

My intended point was more about not getting too stressed/anxious as opposed to not caring, to be clear. Speaking from some personal experience on that front.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50870 on: May 02, 2023, 09:09:22 pm »

Rule 1 of politics: Old People Vote

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« Reply #50871 on: May 05, 2023, 03:53:22 am »

Here's an idea. Instead of clogging the dating sites with spambots and honeypots, make a better one to get birth rates up and counter lonliness.

Just make a better one

Yes, you are right that was overly simple. However I still think it would be better than not having such a thing. I haven't tried dating sites in quite a while, but when I last looked the free options were unsuable due to spam accounts. I think this is less of a problem in cities due to a larger userbase, but in rural areas the userbase is smaller and likely to quickly quit the site after being bombarded with spam. It was very frequent to see that many of the accounts stuck around for a few months and then noped out forever.

Rule 1 of politics: Old People Vote

Then the solution is to vote ever harder until we too are the old people. I'm on the verge of it, I can feel it!
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« Reply #50872 on: May 05, 2023, 06:06:35 am »

Rule 1 of politics: Old People Vote

Then the solution is to vote ever harder until we too are the old people. I'm on the verge of it, I can feel it!

Voting makes you grow old. This is proved by statistics: everyone who has ever voted has also aged - within the very day and hour of the vote even!

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50873 on: May 06, 2023, 04:56:10 am »

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/05/05/as-congress-rushes-to-force-websites-to-age-verify-users-its-own-think-tank-warns-there-are-serious-pitfalls/

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« Reply #50874 on: May 06, 2023, 09:26:14 am »

    Providers of online services may face different challenges using photo ID to verify users’ ages, depending on the type of ID used. For example, requiring a government-issued ID might not be feasible for certain age groups, such as those younger than 13.
Doesn't USA ID comes with paper attachment for children information?  If so, I don't see any problem with minors, who can't enter legal contract, require parent supervision.
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« Reply #50875 on: May 06, 2023, 11:15:08 am »

Minors can enter legal contracts in the US, actually. There's stipulations to it that means most businesses will not, ever, actually enter them (the kid can drop the contract at will, basically, and be on the hook for more or less nothing, but any non-minors involved has to stick with whatever terms are on the thing), but a contract with a minor is legal and enforceable (if in one direction) in the US, as far as I'm aware.

There's no "USA ID", though. The closest to it is maybe a federal passport, but from a quick check only like a 3rd of the country's population has one of those... or maybe your social security number, but it's not usable as an actual ID in most situations, and there's been significant resistance to it being made into one. Everything else is state level, which means there's >50 different ones. Some have dependent information connected to them, some don't. It's not consistent between states or types of ID.
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« Reply #50876 on: May 06, 2023, 12:13:26 pm »

It is very rare for anybody to have a government ID below the driving age. And if you don't drive, it is pretty rare to have an ID below 18 (for voting, in places that have that requirement) or 21 (for alcohol and tobacco). There's pretty much no need for it.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50877 on: May 06, 2023, 12:26:00 pm »

US Aid to Ukraine has paid off!
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-patriot-kinzhal-6b59af8e60853b4d6d16dd8d607768be
THIS is why you give military aid to those fighting your enemies.
Russia's much lauded Hypersonic missile was shot down with the old reliable, yet untested, Patriot Missile System.
We now know it Fucking works!  :D

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« Reply #50878 on: May 06, 2023, 12:53:50 pm »

There's no "USA ID", though. The closest to it is maybe a federal passport, but from a quick check only like a 3rd of the country's population has one of those... or maybe your social security number, but it's not usable as an actual ID in most situations, and there's been significant resistance to it being made into one. Everything else is state level, which means there's >50 different ones. Some have dependent information connected to them, some don't. It's not consistent between states or types of ID.

Bit backward but I doubt this a factor, its not hard to figure an authentication if this passes without this full blown mass hysteria. In our gov login there are roughly 20 options to choose, from credit card info to obscure payment papers. I am sure you can come up with some sort of AuthentictionPal that would work with whatever the accepted means in each state.
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« Reply #50879 on: May 06, 2023, 02:08:45 pm »

Quote from: The Article
[...] Some firms are using blockchain technologies to identify users, such as for digital wallets and for individuals’ health credentials.

https://xkcd.com/2267/

(And the final panel of https://xkcd.com/2030/ also..!)
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