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[pisskop]

They indicted him

[hector13]

I evidently fear significant violence as a consequence of this.

[pisskop]

His support isnt as strong as it was a year ago.  I've never been rabidly for or against him.  He's the biggest red flag for our political system, but just another symptom in the end; not the cause.

I dont think we will ever jail a former president.  But this is where precedents are set

[MrRoboto75]

Yeah, they watched most every Jan 6 lackey get jailed and he did nothing for them.

[hector13]

Of course he did nothing for them it was a false flag attack!

… which is hopefully why they don’t protest this.

[Max™]

Keep in mind: this was literally the last case anybody who has been following his legal issues expected to go this far.

The legal theory involved is untested, and depends on proving he knew it was illegal and was done to influence his campaign, both are difficult to prove.

A grand jury isn't generally prone to willy-nilly tossing out indictments unless they think it has a strong chance of succeeding at trial, particularly with such a high profile douchebag as the orange cunt.

That they went forward with it suggests some of the recent witnesses/evidentiary hearings were bigger than most realized.

Nonetheless this remains the weakest case against him, he's also got the GA interference, oops-I-stole-those-documents, and the whole insurrection thing you may have heard about.

Now those more pressing cases are no longer up against the inertia against "the first indictment of a former president" and that is not a fun place to be if you're a sloppy orange turd.


Also: the Q Qucks Qlowns don't get to keep pretending the insurrection was antifa while visiting and lionizing those convicted, or playing video/music by the traitorous fucks at their rallies like the big orange shitrag did in Waco.

[Frumple]

I dont think we will ever jail a former president.  But this is where precedents are set

The indictment itself is a precedent, if I'm not misremembering. There's two or three more major cases currently ongoing, iirc (document theft mess, georgia election interference, coup attempt) that may see similar action due to this happening.

It'll definitely be interesting (possibly in the curse sense) to see what happens next, though, that's for sure. Conviction would almost certainly be healthier for the country in the long run, but the short might get kinda' messy.

and ninja'd, but eh.

[bloop_bleep]

Give Dorito Benito a Justice Burrito! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

[Frumple]

Keep in mind: this was literally the last case anybody who has been following his legal issues expected to go this far.

The legal theory involved is untested, and depends on proving he knew it was illegal and was done to influence his campaign, both are difficult to prove.

Just noticed this, but I think this is at least partially untrue? Part of what's on the line in regards to the hush money is an airtight misdemeanor charge -- as in, "both trump and some of his legal crew has already confessed to it on record" level of airtight.

The iffier bit is whether it can or cannot be escalated into a felony, from what I understand, and if it is possible, the evidence and legal path for it isn't nearly as public facing and obvious. At a base level the man's absolutely, 100%, provably with publicly available information, guilty of crimes in relation to the hush money payment. The whole of that case might be untested, but part of it is ironclad; if there's not some kind of settlement/plea deal, there's pretty damn certain to be a criminal conviction, if maybe not a felony one.

[Egan_BW]

At a base level the man's absolutely, 100%, provably with publicly available information, guilty of crimes in relation to the hush money payment.

Didn't you hear him say that he's "the most innocent man in the history of the united states"?

[Telgin]

I'm honestly surprised anything is happening.  I don't expect much to come of it, but I'm impressed anything is happening.  Even if he admitted it fully I don't expect more than a fine or whatever the equivalent level of punishment is for something like this.

[Frumple]

Didn't you hear him say that he's "the most innocent man in the history of the united states"?

I mean, have you seen our legal code? Even if that was true, he'd still probably be guilty of enough things to tally up to a life sentence :V

[TamerVirus]

What was the saying? 'You can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich'?
Anyway things might get spicy.

[Lord Shonus]

There's no way to gurantee conviction, but the prosecuting attorneys and judges very much can insist on carrying the cases to trial. Even if everything ends in a mistrial, keeping him perpetually in court for the rest of his life is a very real possibility.

[Max™]

Keep in mind: this was literally the last case anybody who has been following his legal issues expected to go this far.

The legal theory involved is untested, and depends on proving he knew it was illegal and was done to influence his campaign, both are difficult to prove.

Just noticed this, but I think this is at least partially untrue? Part of what's on the line in regards to the hush money is an airtight misdemeanor charge -- as in, "both trump and some of his legal crew has already confessed to it on record" level of airtight.

The iffier bit is whether it can or cannot be escalated into a felony, from what I understand, and if it is possible, the evidence and legal path for it isn't nearly as public facing and obvious. At a base level the man's absolutely, 100%, provably with publicly available information, guilty of crimes in relation to the hush money payment. The whole of that case might be untested, but part of it is ironclad; if there's not some kind of settlement/plea deal, there's pretty damn certain to be a criminal conviction, if maybe not a felony one.

Yeah, bumping it to a felony is untested I mean, and that was before I noticed rumors about it being ~34 counts.

That is A LOT more than hush money+bumping it to a felony.

Like I'm wondering what the other witnesses revealed and if they included the attempts to intimidate the NYAG?