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Wow, do you ever get tired from being angry all the time at everything?

Ah, new fascist qualifications dropped, talking about "trans issues" is fascist now, clearly we must ban this from public discourse, maybe to run off this "talking about trans issues" menace we can pass something like a Don't Say Trans bill... oh wait.

Like, what? Can you pause your perpetual indignation train and engage in some collected thought before you get yourself more in a twist?

And no, defending yourself against accusations of being a fascist is not fascist, lmao. This "That's exactly what three raccoons in a trench coat would say!" response thing is also pretty ridiculous.

Maximum Spin may be guilty of nitpicking causing people to read more into what he was saying, but boy does this jump the gun.

You want to talk hot take time: The entire Nutritional Supplement industry is 100% unregulated.

That's actually not true! They are substantially regulated, just not for efficacy. They still have to follow — ah, never mind, I see you seem to have just discovered that too.

As you can see, they're still regulated for labelling, for facility cleanliness and safety, and basically to the same extent that foods are. They just don't go through the process that drugs go through.

This is enforced insufficiently. 20% of supplements contained unapproved ingredients in one study. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/whats-in-your-supplements-2019021515946

[Maximum Spin]

You want to talk hot take time: The entire Nutritional Supplement industry is 100% unregulated.

That's actually not true! They are substantially regulated, just not for efficacy. They still have to follow — ah, never mind, I see you seem to have just discovered that too.

As you can see, they're still regulated for labelling, for facility cleanliness and safety, and basically to the same extent that foods are. They just don't go through the process that drugs go through.

This is enforced insufficiently. 20% of supplements contained unapproved ingredients in one study. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/whats-in-your-supplements-2019021515946

Sure, but these are generally relatively shady, often internationally imported supplements made in facilities the FDA cannot reasonably inspect, like the viagra knockoffs and "weight-loss supplements" that article calls out. Multivitamins and, say, metamucil, which someone was worried about in one of these threads not long ago, aren't in the same category. Just the same, contamination is a known problem in regulated drugs coming from those out-of-reach facilities as well; this has raised news stories related to drugs from China and India in the past few years.
The problem isn't really "not enough regulation of supplements", which, like I said, are regulated to essentially the same standards as food; it's a problem with shady companies and most of all with imports from places that don't cooperate very well with the FDA.

[Max™]

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Why is this not freaking more of you out?

Like I get the trans folks freaking out, but those of you who AREN'T trans and are just casually discussing this shit as opposed to why we aren't hunting down nazis? What the fuck?

Primarily, it isn't legal to hunt them. Secondary, joining a group to hunt these guys would require me to do the thing I despise them for wanting to do.

Nobody is born a nazi, nobody is destined to become a fascist, and unlike years ago when you could have slid a sheet of paper between [republicans] and [actual fucking fascist fucks] they decided they'd rather buddy up with nazis to avoid pissing off their big orange bitchbaby. So now we've got a slow genocide rolling out--and yes, that is the right term, when you're targeting a vulnerable population because of a core part of their identity with the intent to eradicate them it's genocide--while one major party is buddying up with a bunch of fascists and doing their bidding.

See, people forget that, if you're a goddamn nazi you no longer deserve to participate in society. Excluding the intolerant is the only way to preserve a tolerant society for the rest of us, and they LOVE nothing more than to hide behind the shield of free speech or claim they aren't actually going to genocide people. They aren't being targeted for some arbitrary reason, they're literally trying to destroy the fabric of society to see it all burn down. Good news though: they can literally just stop being nazis.

Some of you may have been here back in 2015 and 2016 and heard some of us talking about nazis and shit and may even remember people acting like it was silly because they aren't goose-stepping around with swastikas throwing salutes and plotting genocides and goddamn believe me I wish we had been wrong and worried about nothing but oh shit apparently we weren't and that fucking sucks.

Now we have to keep in mind: don't engage them on their terms, don't assume good faith, don't expect reasonable effort put into defending their position, prepare for them to deflect or try any bullshit they have to in order to "win" their argument, because they don't want a conversation, they don't want to convince people, they want to waste your time until they have enough power to force others to abide by their decisions.

They're getting closer to that point every fucking day.

[Loud Whispers]

DT saying he'll be arrested on Tuesday and calling on his supporters to stage mass protests.

"Look at all how the liberals protest when things with the legal system they don't like happen, shameful. They should just accept people being needlessly killed by the police like good little citizens!"
"Wait, something that affects MEEEEE!?!?! PROTEST VIOLENCE RAGE DESTROY!"

How big is this? In the UK it's rather depressing at times that politicians can brazenly get away with crimes with some waffle about "being legally compliant with the regulations at the time" and throw up so much doubt and misdirection that there is just enough ambiguity to wiggle away scott free, or with a fine

[Starver]

(Can't speak for how big it is, in US terms. I suspect that vehement supporters/detractors will seize upon their own interpretation to enhance their case, it might polarise some middle-grounders, etc, but what will be big would be the outcome, whatever it is, rather than the process that gets us there.)

I find it intetesting that he is announcing the thing. In line with his "and if I lose, it's because the system is corrupt!" pre-defence for other potential failures looming in his future, but that must mean he still has a relevent base to do their bit (as opposed to Old Man Shouts At Cloud stuff. And, personally, I'd be happy with OMSAC result, even if it means no other relevent punishment (e.g., declared too poor to pay a fine, after shedding his assets in a proven way that leaves him as a Penthouse Recluse at best).

Too much possibility for certain sections of the community to get very angry at the outcome, or just angry at the status-quo as it drags on in other ways (though it seems likely the Grand Jury will be definite, one way or another?).

[jipehog]

Going by 'best defense is offense' he does well to get in front of the issue.
Otherwise, cautious estimations suggest that his wankery won't save him and  he wouldn't be able to recover what he lost in last few month.

[Loud Whispers]

I suppose best case scenario is he hypes up his remaining followers for an epic showdown that turns out to be a slight fizzle and they lose a bit of their gumbo mania

[McTraveller]

A local city council:  "Hey you know what would improve housing affordability? Mandatory occupancy inspections on transfer, with a $200 application fee!"

The stated purpose of the ordinance is "to protect the health, safety and welfare of the citizens by attempting to prevent blight, avoid the creation and maintenance of a nuisance and ensure minimum maintenance of dwellings..."

This is a good example of the tensions in society.  Do you burden people with extra costs and inspections (especially because inspectors almost always find something to fix, incurring not just the application but also the likely extraneous repair cost, in terms of dollars and time) "for the greater good"?  So the ordinance sounds good but also puts up a barrier to entry to home ownership.

However, the ordinance also helps protect against selling homes with unexpected need for massive repair...

[nenjin]

$200 amidst all the other costs of home ownership is pretty minor.

[MorleyDev]

Isn't that just a Home Survey? They're pretty much standard practice, in the UK at least. Check it over, highlight any structural problems that you may need to pay for, then get your estate agent to push that you should be able to deduct those fixes from your offer.

[MrRoboto75]

At least here, the main barrier to home ownership is the inflated value of the dirt the house sits on.

[None]

Erh, yeah, homeownership is kind of the barrier to homeownership here. If $200 is enough to significantly impact a down payment on a house, you can't afford a down payment on a house.

Similarly, none of my friends or siblings can afford a down payment on a house. I'm lucky enough now that I might be able to swing it on some run-down thing in Bumfuck, Nowhere, but that's not how I want to live my life.

Casual reminder that 63% of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck.

[dragdeler]

,63%? I call pre pandemic numbers

[McTraveller]

Note this is not the buyers' home inspection, which in most places is voluntary.  This is a required certificate for occupancy, issued by the city.

Note the inspection is $200, but this could result in thousands of dollars of repair work for real or imaginary concerns.  And I've never seen an inspector that finds "nothing needed." 

I'm not saying this is wrong by the way - it's just interesting that it's something that contributes to the systematic issues.  It's also funny, because it is only assessed during sale - if a homeowner just lets their home fall into disrepair, this ordinance does nothing.  It also has an explicit exclusion for inheritance - no assessment is required there either.

[Folly]

How big is this? In the UK it's rather depressing at times that politicians can brazenly get away with crimes with some waffle about "being legally compliant with the regulations at the time" and throw up so much doubt and misdirection that there is just enough ambiguity to wiggle away scott free, or with a fine

The US has more of a problem with wealthy people blatantly ignoring the law. Politicians are just adjacent to the issue, taking payoffs to change laws or obstruct law changes in favor of helping the rich avoid any sense of justice.

Trump just happens to be a wealthy person who was stupid enough to draw attention to his legally ambiguous affairs by getting involved in politics himself.