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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49230 on: July 20, 2022, 03:33:44 pm »

Discussion of Australian internet reminds me that once thought it quite exotic to find myself looking at Wollongong University's pages on Gopher, once, looking at stuff like their library opening hours, etc. And not because it was on Gopher[1], but because I'd never really been anywhere beyond .uk, .de[2] and of course the iTLDs that were probably predominantly 'Merkin.

No surprise that it was a University, *.ac.uk (or UK.AC.*, depending upon protocol) via JANET pretty much dominated anything 'local', and of course Wollongong Uni was likely to be connected. I imagine that a farmstead 100 miles away from the nearest regularly repaved road in the middle of the western desert is still going to be at the tail-end of even a POTS/dial-up connectivity 'revolution', never mind getting gigabit optical broadband that many (though by no means all, or even most) might expect over on this small island.


[1] This was slightly pre-web. Gopher was exotic, I suppose, but only at the Presentation Layer level. The underlying mechanism was no different from ftp or telnet. And my first Web access was likely on Lynx (on a telnet login), until we got Mosaic running on X, so very much the same.

[2] And maybe other European mirror-hubs/resources, but probably saw .fi more than .fr because the latter tended not to have so much anglophone-accessible material .
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« Reply #49231 on: July 20, 2022, 08:38:52 pm »

There was a lot of politics involved in the upgrade to australia's internet network. A partial overview of it can be found here: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/nov/10/secret-figures-reveal-coalitions-cut-down-nbn-tech-three-times-more-expensive-than-forecast
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When the Coalition won government in 2013, then communications minister Malcolm Turnbull commissioned a strategic review into the national broadband network to validate switching from rolling out fibre-to-the-premises for 93% of homes to a mixture of older technology using Telstra and Optus cable networks and fibre-to-the-node which then utilised existing copper lines to premises.

No idea where the notion of copper networks everywhere as best practice comes from, that was certainly never considered by anyone.

The TLDR; is that Labor (the left-er party) had a decent plan for fibre  back about 15 years ago but then the right wing parties (the coalition) got into power and cooked up a degraded plan on the justification of cost savings.  It's not clear that any money was saved (and in fact more may well have been spent).

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Seriously, check it out on youtube if you haven't yet.

To be honest, apart from the humour involved, these will stand you in good stead.  Largely.
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« Reply #49232 on: July 20, 2022, 11:38:17 pm »

Specifics I don't know about our internet. Mines fine for the most part but can get laggy if playing with others over in US or UK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network#2020 is the main plan countrywide for the internet. It varies a lot depending on where you are with differing amount of fiber to metallic cables depending on what type of connections you have to the network.

As for coal. Sorry. You'd think we'd be head in the world for solar but opinions are mostly stuck on what it was like 20+ years ago.
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« Reply #49233 on: July 21, 2022, 04:25:37 am »

Doh, I did the dumb and mixed up where you put the URL and heading in the code again. NBN (National Broadband Network)

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49235 on: July 22, 2022, 10:26:16 pm »

Windshield cancer is a serious problem, I’m glad someone has the balls to talk about it.
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« Reply #49236 on: July 23, 2022, 12:06:33 am »

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Modeled after Texas’ abortion law upheld by SCOTUS, California to become first state allowing individuals to sue for damages those spreading illegal weapons

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Texas has introduced a new standard of justice-via-curbside-lawsuit...
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« Reply #49237 on: July 23, 2022, 05:45:30 am »

And the countdown to overturning California's law as unconstitutional begins.
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« Reply #49238 on: July 26, 2022, 03:28:50 pm »

Nice bit of show and tell

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« Reply #49239 on: July 27, 2022, 01:29:52 am »

I see your stupid politicians, and raise you "If global temperatures are increasing, why does snow exist?"
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« Reply #49240 on: July 27, 2022, 01:33:16 am »

It is horrifying.

Whenever I get angry I sometimes remember this and I just want to shout in his face “WINTER EXISTS YOU PILLOCK.”
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the way your fingertips plant meaningless soliloquies makes me think you are the true evil among us.

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« Reply #49241 on: July 27, 2022, 02:18:44 am »

I don't really find the stupidity to be in the accusation, but rather the attempt. As if they think people are stupid enough to fall for that. I don't believe that he thinks that it's a good argument. I think he thinks other will fall for it, and is fine with causing mass starvation and bloodshed for some bribes from oil companies.
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« Reply #49242 on: July 27, 2022, 04:15:31 am »

It seems Pelosi is looking to visit Taiwan, to the expected annoyance of China (various vague threats of some action, which may or may not be military in nature... "And the US will be responsible for all of the serious consequences"[1]). Biden is luke-cold about the idea. Publically. He could be anything from overjoyed to vastly annoyed in private, you can't be sure what he really thinks. I'm sure he's pleasing nobody (while trying to not actively upset anybody).


[1] The same sort of thing as "Of course we had to invade Ukraine. It's entirely their fault for putting us in potential conflict with NATO..."
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« Reply #49243 on: July 27, 2022, 04:33:34 am »

It is horrifying.

Whenever I get angry I sometimes remember this and I just want to shout in his face “WINTER EXISTS YOU PILLOCK.”
But if temperatures are rising, why does winter exist?
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« Reply #49244 on: July 27, 2022, 04:35:10 am »

Biden is smart to be trying to make nice with China right now. It is very much not in the interests of the United States to be risking a diplomatic crisis with a major nuclear power when so much US military equipment (and make no mistake, it is a huge quantity even by US standards) is going to the country defending from a different major nuclear power in an outright shooting war. Not to mention that a diplomatic breach with China is all too likely to significantly damage the global economy that is shakily recovering from the twin shocks of COVID and a shooting war in Europe.

If it was a "draw a line in the sand or China invades" situation, it would be one thing, but that's not the case. China doesn't have the military force to retake Taiwan without completely destroying it, and there's no point in retaking the territory if everything on it worth having is rubble. I'm all for standing up to the PRC, but one crisis at a time.
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