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« Reply #48195 on: April 26, 2022, 12:15:15 pm »

We now have a Church of Prismatic Light whose central religious belief is the sacred nature of GLBTQIA people uwu
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« Reply #48196 on: April 26, 2022, 12:18:12 pm »

It's like when Trump started prioritizing Christian refugees. All my fellow Christians were like yes this is normal and good.
 
No its not, you just set a precedent for making federal decisions based on religion. You ass. What happens when the next guy in charge is someone whose dad got killed waiting for all the Christians to get on the plane first? Guess he can start prioritizing whoever he wants, too. This is why religion needs to be quite simply protected by law and not get directly involved with government in any way.
 
I agree with Rolan, it's just the most pernicious kind of nationalism with a Christian flavor.

We now have a Church of Prismatic Light whose central religious belief is the sacred nature of GLBTQIA people uwu

Primsatic Spray is a pretty dangerous spell when cast by a 13th level wizard or above I hope they know what they're doing.
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« Reply #48197 on: May 01, 2022, 09:11:10 pm »

I hope you all recognized Loyalty Day, the day dedicated towards worshipping the state and definitely nothing else.
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« Reply #48198 on: May 02, 2022, 04:59:30 am »

I hope you all recognized Loyalty Day, the day dedicated towards worshipping the state and definitely nothing else.
Charming, but I only celebrate real holidays.
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« Reply #48199 on: May 02, 2022, 08:46:50 pm »

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« Reply #48200 on: May 02, 2022, 09:47:23 pm »

Also SCOTUS jurisdiction pretty much in its entirety, which should be... fun is not quite the right word, but something similar in intent.

But yeah, it's pretty fucked. Abortion, likely a great deal of the judicial system in its entirety but especially the supreme court, probably other stuff. Not surprisingly so, given the court in question, but... still.
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« Reply #48201 on: May 02, 2022, 10:24:47 pm »

Eh, I'm suspicious of the "leak".
It's either a massive breach of security (least likely), One Justice trying to get ahead of his colleagues (semi-likely), or several Justices trying to figure out what language they can get away with in their decision (most likely).

So, the "draft" is unlikely going to be the final product. 
But I guess the Conservative Justices now have the numbers to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

My guess is that the Conservative Justices are trying their darnedest to say "Uh, only Roe vs. Wade should be overturned, all other Supreme Court Cases need due deference."

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« Reply #48202 on: May 02, 2022, 11:28:33 pm »

I may be a Christian Socialist but I do not support marginalizing other religions.
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« Reply #48203 on: May 03, 2022, 12:21:35 am »

And the thing about Roe vs. Wade, is that it's privacy stance has been used in other heavy cases such as Lawrence v. Texas, which determined that the police cannot arrest you for sodomy if they break into your house. Or Griswold v. Connecticut, where they try to enforce married couples not being allowed to use contraceptives.

The Republican cult literally wants the right to send police into your house and arrest you if you don't live by their religious beliefs.
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« Reply #48204 on: May 03, 2022, 12:47:27 am »

Yes, purportedly the decision leak expresses an intent/desire to overturn both gay marriage and the consent doctrine for sexual legality.

Hope you guys all prefer missionary ;)
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« Reply #48205 on: May 03, 2022, 01:43:53 am »

I am sure the GOP will come after me, Mr Asexual Guy, *SOMEHOW*... 

Probably when they look at the combination of covid induced infertility, their closed border policies, and the BELOW REPLACEMENT RATE birth rate statistics for the US.
(I am sure they will try very hard to insist that it is my moral duty as an American!(tm) to start bangin' like a damn rabbit-- but ONLY after marriage.)


If it is any consolation though, Vector, the first person I thought about when I read this news was you. I hope you are doing well/hope your state introduces stop-gap legislation to protect women's rights.
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« Reply #48206 on: May 03, 2022, 03:22:33 am »

The solution is that all women pack up and leave for the progressive states and leave the conservative men to their miserable and lonely lives.
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« Reply #48207 on: May 03, 2022, 03:31:44 am »

They’ll just go back to women being property of their fathers until they get married and become property of their husband.
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« Reply #48208 on: May 03, 2022, 05:24:42 am »

I take back everything I said about Republicans being not that bad, way back then. I can provide torches and pitchforks for you guys.
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« Reply #48209 on: May 03, 2022, 06:05:53 am »

It is important to understand that there are at least 3 kinds of "Republican" in the United States.

There are "Old guard" republicans, which aside from having some somewhat dodgy business models, and being all about getting and staying super fucking rich, aren't really that onerous.

There are "NeoCon" republicans, which are the worst kind of republican, in terms of fiscal policy...

and there are the "Qtard/Religious whacko/Chemtrails/xenophobic/Transphobic/Homophobic" republicans (which are can be comorbid with the first two, but usually are their own kind and breed, that just latch on to the GOP because the GOP courts their votes, because of how horribly unpopular their actual core tenets are, and how alarmingly prevalent the batshit craycray is) who are Always Afraid, Always Oppressed, and STRONGLY BELIEVING (at the expense of EVERYTHING else).


It is important to stress that the core tenets of the republican party are **NOT** religious.  They are quite succinctly summed up with "If you are rich, we want you to stay rich-- you are our people, and we will butter your bread. All those poors can go get fucked. In fact, we will HELP you fuck them, both figuratively and literally." 

They simply court and exploit the religious nutball demographic, asserting that they represent their interests. In reality, the policy decisions implemented are ones selected for the intersection of three criteria:

1) It will anger/disenfranchise the democrats
2) It will allow rich fuckers to get away with bigger, more obscene abuses of the public at large.
3) It strokes the strongly believing but poorly educated in just the right way, to make them bend over and take the above two things, and feel "represented" doing it.

Consider what the actual consequences/fallout of overturning Roe vs Wade means, in terms of women's autonomy.  It will anger/disempower democrats.  It will enable rich fucks to get away with obscene shit like they did in the 50s, and it strokes the "Belief!!" button of the strongly believing but poorly educated, in just the right way to get them to gung-ho support the measure.

Basically everything the current crop of GOP leadership has been up to meets up with that pattern.

I would conjecture that the "Oppression Narrative" that the strongly believing demographic has, has created a mindset that cannot conceive of a world where they are not oppressed. As such, the baked in oppression that the GOP promotes to its wealthy backers is not seen as the oppression that it is-- it is seen as "normal" and "expected."  It is the lack of oppression, in contravention of the oppression narrative, that they cannot comprehend or deal with-- and they invent phantasms to fill that void. (Q-Anon conspiracy, Chemtrails, et al.)

I would suggest that as a step toward the right direction, we emphasize the actual oppression that takes place, shut down the clearly purposeful and orchestrated misinformation campaigns that promote and sustain the "Oppression Narrative" in the country (That includes the fearmongering conservative preachers! There is nothing wrong with church sermons, but there is everything wrong with fearmongering "You are oppressed by the EVIL DEMOCRATS" ones, which are ALREADY illegal, just not enforced.).
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