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[MrRoboto75]

I would like to see Liz Cheney survive this, and be involved in a purge of the Republican party.

As bad as the emotion-less, conversation-evading, external-war-promoting Republicans have been, they are so much better than the emotion-charged conversation-blocking internal-war-promoting Republicans that have been empowering Trump.

This, basically. I'd rather deal with an extreme right that wants to fight resource wars and unlawfully spy on/imprison U.S. citizens than an extreme right that wants to take a second stab at the Civil War, gleefully ignore the climate crisis, and murder people like me for disagreeing with their less angry cousins.

Old!GOP didn't give two shits about climate either.

[Flying Dice]

I would like to see Liz Cheney survive this, and be involved in a purge of the Republican party.

As bad as the emotion-less, conversation-evading, external-war-promoting Republicans have been, they are so much better than the emotion-charged conversation-blocking internal-war-promoting Republicans that have been empowering Trump.

This, basically. I'd rather deal with an extreme right that wants to fight resource wars and unlawfully spy on/imprison U.S. citizens than an extreme right that wants to take a second stab at the Civil War, gleefully ignore the climate crisis, and murder people like me for disagreeing with their less angry cousins.

Old!GOP didn't give two shits about climate either.

No, but they give a shit about money. Renewable (solar, particularly) energy is becoming increasingly cost-efficient at the same time that coal and petroleum deposits are both diminishing and becoming increasingly expensive to exploit, on top of artificial pressures imposed by governments around the world on things like gas-burning vehicles (which will only continue to increase since most of them are actually trying to meet their obligations for Paris and Glasgow).

As the fossil fuel campaign contributors become increasingly irrelevant and renewable contributors more substantial, policy will change to follow the money.

Though you could also argue that the real old GOP did, given that a fair few of them (Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind) were inclined towards conservation efforts. It's only really in the mid-century that things shifted so radically, and that was all due to money as well.

[LordBaal]

Was not GOP the progresive party back then?

[Lord Shonus]

No, that would be the Progressive (Bull Moose) Party.

[Starver]

...who particularly supported the rights for squirrels to fly, I hear. (And with zero emissions! Apart from the occasional bit of hokey smoke.)

[martinuzz]

The FBI warns about an 'enormous amount of worrisome messages'.  The rehearsal for the inauguration has been cancelled because of security threats.


Guys... I hope you have your guns ready.  If it turns out that police and feds are outnumbered and outgunned by Trump crazies, it will be your civil duty to assist them and protect democracy.

[Loud Whispers]

Al Jazeera reports that 21 of the US Capitol building raiders were current or ex-military personnel

Experts in homegrown extremism have warned for years about efforts by far-right groups and white supremacist groups to radicalise and recruit people with military and law enforcement training, and they say the January 6 insurrection that left five people dead saw some of their worst fears realised.
“ISIS [ISIL] and al-Qaeda would drool over having someone with the training and experience of a US military officer,” said Michael German, a former FBI agent and fellow with the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University.
“These people have training and capabilities that far exceed what any foreign terrorist group can do. Foreign terrorist groups don’t have any members who have badges.”

Basically what I've been saying regarding the need for USA to do peaceful community driven policing, because going the full "how will rednecks deal with dronestrikes" route is going to trigger a reaction from all the ex-army officers who are popular in their local communities and retain connections within the armed services. Just a mega shitshow all around; imagine all the lessons you guys learned from the Iraq war with ex-Saddam army officers and forcing locals to join Islamist groups, but applied to US militias

[Vector]

I'm buying groceries and preparing to not leave home for two weeks. I have lots of beans and rice in case it really has to be more than 2 weeks.

Al Jazeera reports that 21 of the US Capitol building raiders were current or ex-military personnel

Well ... that's not great ...

[Iduno]

The FBI warns about an 'enormous amount of worrisome messages'.  The rehearsal for the inauguration has been cancelled because of security threats.


Guys... I hope you have your guns ready.  If it turns out that police and feds are outnumbered and outgunned by Trump crazies, it will be your civil duty to assist them and protect democracy.

The police are generally supportive of what's going on, so it's not like they'll be helping the average citizen.

[martinuzz]

Perhaps I am naive in assuming that those are not in the majority within the forces.

Some of those that work forces..
Are the same that burn crosses.

Nowadays be replaced with

Most of those that work forces
Are the same that burn crosses?

[Vector]

Perhaps I am naive in assuming that those are not in the majority within the forces.

They may not be the majority, but white supremacist groups have been working on getting their people into law enforcement and the military for years.

I don't know what to say, guys. I'm really fucking stressed.

[LordBaal]

Oh, you think political instability is your stressor. But you merely adopted the political instability; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see a proper goverment system until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!

Ps: just trying to ligthen the mood. If anyone want to chat here is a ear. But relax, most likely nothing bad will happen. Remember politics, specially western ones are 99.9% smoke and mirrors... and corruption, and 0.1% of actual work with an marign of error of 0.1%.

[The_Explorer]

Can't find any news stations in the US talking about this (at least major news). But this news site is 100% legit of course, but surprised can't find it talked about elsewhere.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trumps-approval-rating-collapses-in-multiple-polls-after-capitol-riot-impeachment/live-coverage/80fcaea40b1c82be298bd61eaacb4e73

If that happens, then that really would lead to civil war. If trump uses martial law or insurrection act like it appears he may be thinking of doing judging by that news article, that is a legit civil war.

[Starver]

Noting that the URL was the exact opposite of Clickbait. It summarises the almost inconsequential closing line to the article, which was mostly about what you said it was, plus the narrowness of the squeak that Pence may have had.

Spoiler: Ignorable aside (click to show/hide)

(Also, it either tried to autorun the video embedded in it, or (perhaps unintentionally) tricked me into asking that it do when I really wanted to scroll but things kept resizing on me. It was a helluva fight to click "back" to here, but I don't know if that was the video trying to load into the browser making everything go wonky or the usual stupid autoredirect-and-forward thing some sites have that make Back just immediately try to autoreload forward again. Meh, it's probably just this device's issues, but annoying.)

I think it's entirely possible that Trump has planned a number of things to do, maybe on the 18th, 19th, possibly even the morning of the 20th. Saved up so Mitch won't be able to suddenly decide there's time to accept the impeachment. I'm not sure how far he'd go. Potentially, a long way. Practically...?

I think I'm more confident that the person with the bit of paper knows that high-res photographs of people sloppily-holding documents are a 'danger' (it's happened a number of times with people entering or leaving 10 Downing Street, over here) and that this was a troll/strategic 'accidental' leak or somesuch.

Which doesn't mean it isn't being seriously thought about (FCVO 'seriously'), but I can't do more about that than cross my fingers, even while I bet that the Preinaugaral January Surprise is going to come in a totally different form. 'Accidental'malfunction of a military training drone that lands on Jack Dorsey's patio or whatever.

[Bumber]

Tell me more about the acts of terrorism democrats committed to install Hilary as president in spite of her losing both the popular vote and the electoral college.

That's irrelevant. There was incitement enough for some group of maniacs to try something.

There was a Sanders campaign volunteer who shot Republican Majority Whip Steve Scalise and others, so it's not like nothing happened from Democrats over the last 4 years.