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[TD1]

Yea I don't like either

For obvious reasons.

[Dostoevsky]

Actually, if I recall right I saw a history that BLM was polling somewhere around +6-8 at the start of 2020 (slow but steady increase since around 2012?), up to about +10-11% before George Floyd, said death spiking it to around +18-20%, then those 7% riots started and it dropped back to +6-8% by sometime August/September.  Think it had still been trending lower, but I lost the bookmark in the move from my last computer.

Eh, I wouldn't call +6-8 to be large enough to drive policy changes (perhaps unfortunately).

Edit: Also a case where national numbers are much less important than the state/local numbers that show what constituents think. I'd argue it's a fair assumption that the +6-8 is not evenly distributed.

[anewaname]

confederate flag, maga hats... who cares...

what offices were hit?
which individuals in the invading group had specific missions to compromise data systems?
Which individuals in the defending group had specific missions to compromise data systems?

This was not about "taking back the whitehouse".
This was about sacrificing pawns to allow others to remain in the shadows after Trump is gone.
They are blowing smoke to give them the opportunity to plant more sources of smoke and fire, for future use.

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on critical thinking and the gradual loss of it...
It involves acceptance of those disembodied radio voices as your group or your tribe, and it is keyed to the human biology. The human animal is designed to function in a group and accept leaders for that group. The human animal achieves this goal by releasing chemicals (seratonin/oxytocin/others?) that feel good when you feel like a member of a group and when you move as part of a group and when you agree with the actions made by that group. This is a chemical dependency that is embedded in the biology of the human animal, because humans are herd animals. Critical thinking is nearly always displaced by chemical dependencies.

To get someone out of the state of mind of accepting the "voices on the radio as their tribe", they need to find their old tribe or to find a new tribe (best bet is other older people). Just like stopping heroin use by using methadone.

[Vector]

humans are herd animals

I agreed with most of what you said, but we literally didn't evolve from herd animals.


For the other point, I donated some money to a group dedicated to helping people leave white supremacist organizations a couple of days ago. There are some people who are trying to help!

[Micro102]

Imagine comparing riots over police brutality and racism, to a literal coup of armed people with bombs, Molotov cocktails, and zipties, storming the capital to stop an election from completing, shouting for death of politicians, over their cult leader not accepting the results of an election. These are not comparable. Comparing them is intolerable.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

confederate flag, maga hats... who cares...

what offices were hit?
which individuals in the invading group had specific missions to compromise data systems?
Which individuals in the defending group had specific missions to compromise data systems?

This was not about "taking back the whitehouse".
This was about sacrificing pawns to allow others to remain in the shadows after Trump is gone.
They are blowing smoke to give them the opportunity to plant more sources of smoke and fire, for future use.

From what I'm aware, the main office hit was Pelosi's.  That's the one I've heard had hard drives taken from it at least, but that might be a bit outdated.

Imagine comparing riots over police brutality and racism, to a literal coup of armed people with bombs, Molotov cocktails, and zipties, storming the capital to stop an election from completing, shouting for death of politicians, over their cult leader not accepting the results of an election. These are not comparable. Comparing them is intolerable.

You say that like I compared them morally.  I was not, at all.  I was taking a "what actions were done and what were the results?" basis.

[Vector]

Yo, Zanzetkuken . . . are you sock-puppeting?

[Dostoevsky]

From what I'm aware, the main office hit was Pelosi's.  That's the one I've heard had hard drives taken from it at least, but that might be a bit outdated.

The Senate Parliamentarian's office, of all places, was also ransacked.

That's an obscure but procedurally important position. That said, the only real 'secret intel' I can think of stored there is non-public precedent of unofficial rulings on Senate procedure (e.g. not put to a test on the Senate floor, but discussed/debated behind closed doors). That would be useful from a lobbyist's perspective, though not nearly enough to physically raid the darn place. Also it's something members of congress have easy access to, so those in actual power have no reason to get involved in it.

[Bumber]

Imagine comparing riots over police brutality and racism, to a literal coup of armed people with bombs, Molotov cocktails, and zipties, storming the capital to stop an election from completing, shouting for death of politicians, over their cult leader not accepting the results of an election. These are not comparable. Comparing them is intolerable.

Hey, let's all forget that one time BLM activists tried to breach a barricade surrounding the White House, forcing Secret Service agents to escort Trump and Pence to a bunker.

[Vector]

I don't recall BLM having guns, in that case, and I definitely don't recall the police opening the barricade so they could enter.

[Micro102]

You say that like I compared them morally.  I was not, at all.  I was taking a "what actions were done and what were the results?" basis.

It's your lack of portraying how different they are morally that is the problem (thinking about it, I should have said "equate", not "compare"). When you say things like "only a few broken windows and stolen hard drives in comparison to the BLM riots" after harping about how the DNC was only supporting BLM for votes.... Dude, your comment is just geared to go "stop paying attention to the coup, look at BLM". It's disingenuous.

Hey, let's all forget that one time BLM activists tried to breach a barricade surrounding the White House, forcing Secret Service agents to escort Trump and Pence to a bunker.

Congratulations, you suggested the possibility of 1/100th of what happened, happening somewhere else. Was that suppose to mean something? Honestly I can't even confirm whether what you said was true or not, but even if it was, did you think "someone tried to breach a barricade" even comes close to a coup attempt? What possesed you to make this argument?

Maybe also try looking at the line of armed guards used to defend against BLM, vs the selfies and literally letting insurrectionists in for some white republicans.

[Lidku]

Yep, this country is fucked. No matter what, Trump's base won't accept he lost nor Trump is admitting an open concede to the election results. We're heading for a 2nd Civil War. 

[voliol]

Some weeks, months from now though, when the attempted coup is no longer latest news, will Trump be as much a pariah as he is now? Unless Trump is convicted I have a hard time imagining some idiot will not reach out to Trump seeking to profit on his still rabid followers, be it a television magnate or someone helping him start up his own party. The deplatforming is temporary if nothing else is done about it.

[Micro102]

I'd like to say that Trump supporters won't start forming militias to try and start another civil war, but I also would have said that they wouldn't storm the capital with weapons and zipties in an attempt to force Trump to be president.

My biggest fear right now is that no one is going to prosecute them, telling others that there aren't consequences to doing this.

[Vector]

I just signed a petition supporting impeachment. I don't normally request that people be removed from office and I've let many petitions pass by due to concern for leaving a public record, but I think it's time to choose liberty over security.